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Re: Farming beyond property lines?


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Posted by JD Seller on December 26, 2018 at 20:59:01 from (208.126.198.213):

In Reply to: Re: Farming beyond property lines? posted by oldtanker on December 26, 2018 at 20:02:53:

Oldtanker: Every time you post you show how little you know about modern agriculture.

I know that OUR farms are not causing any nitrate increases in the ground water around us. How do I know this???? Two ways.

one) Our very own wells are right in the middle of the ground we farm. I have had them tested for years to see if the nitrate levels are changing. Guess what they are changing!!! THEY are going down!!!!!

Two: With the number of livestock we have we have to have a nutrient management plan filed with the state DNR. Part of that plan is a water quality study of our farms. Cost us $25K for the first one and $2500 each year after. Every single one of them show that the water leaving our farms is as clean as it was when it came on and in many cases cleaner.

We have cut back commercial fertilizers 30% in the last ten years while increasing our average yields 10%. We have increased manure application but completely stopped anhydrous ammonia applications. All manure is incorporated within 24 hours of application.

Here are two cases that show how ignorant the average person is on this subject. One directly involved our land and the other was my Brother-in-law in Ohio.

One: A well neighboring land we farm started showing higher nitrate levels. Had to be our fault as we are EVIL farmers spreading manure on the land around them. So we got sued. Only fact that the person had was their well had increased nitrate levels and it HAD to be our fault. Court ordered water quality assessment found the trouble to be the shallow well being too close to the well owner's septic system. Heck in only cost us $30K that peanuts to us EVIL rich farmers.

Two: MY BIL farmed around a state built flood control/recreation lake. In the late 1980s the lake had HIGH levels of nitrates and other nutrient pollution. Well that just had to be the EVIL farmers again. So the state enacted water management plans for all farms in the lake's water shed. Over the next ten years just about 70% of the livestock in that water shed left. Fertilizer applications fell too. The trouble is the lake got worse. So in 1995 the Federal EPA came in and did testing. It did not take them long to find the source. The 2500 houses with septic systems around the lake. See the state sold the development ground to help pay for building the lake. The home owners had to group together and form a Public utility system to get grants/loans to put in a sewage system. Within 5 years the levels dropped to acceptable levels in the lake. Never any mention of the effected farms up stream. They still are under the water management plans. These plans are also getting harder to comply with. For livestock manure/runoff, 100% containment is not enough if the containment pond is earthen now for 2020. Has to be concrete or a mechanical structure. NO grand fathering in.


As for not having anything to do with the government trough. Well I sure as heck help fill it. In 2017 my federal tax bill without SS was six figures. I can not even think of drawing SS until next year because I would not get a dime. I have paid into that system my entire life and will never get what I paid in back. My wife gets a small disability check but my SS payment is many times what she draws.


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