Posted by Billy NY on January 02, 2013 at 12:25:39 from (72.226.79.200):
In Reply to: Re: What's next? Long posted by NY 986 on January 02, 2013 at 11:31:33:
You mentioned a good point above about maintaining a presence, which I forgot. That in itself changes the dynamics of these situations, but if a remote site, you work away, as I did, its amazing how they just take over. That leaves a problem for the owner, as they always do these things behind your back.
The snowmobile-rs do the same thing, have an organization, provide insurance, maintain trails/bridges etc., and thats fine where the trail system works, and just the same its a lot of fun no doubt. At this place I don't want them around, same as atv's, or anyone for that matter, since a theft occurred. Its that simple, always one in the crowd, you just can't trust people. Its well known here that that the owner feels that way LOL !
Powerline tracts are conduits for trouble, especially here, as its broken by a large pond, so they come off it onto my place, and we own on both sides of the powerlines. They can travel in from distances, you do not know who they are, I caught 6 in October from 15 miles away. Its illegal, NYS DMV 2403-3, 3A etc., but people think they have a right, then it terminates near my house, whereas I have the disturbances, nuisances and eventually a theft. The forestry/landowner rep states they will back you, but they do nothing to mitigate the problem, even when something like fencing, putting in old discarded post cut off's or just doing the right thing to place posts or obstacles where it makes sense, just seems to be an issue with these guys, thankfully I've never had to push it with them, however if the problem worsens, they will get a certified letter return receipt, detailing the situation and the ensuing problems created from illegal atv operation on their land, spilling onto ours.
According to my interpretation of the NY law, posted signs, afford you the reasonable expectation that people are to stay out, given, that, if someone does get injured, or similar, you are not liable, so I use barbed wired on property lines without hesitation, just like what was there for 100 years, use tire spikes, and as much as I'd love to clothesline someone or cause them to be violently dismounted, regardless of death or injury, I will NOT do that, then I am no better then they are.
The one thing is that in areas like these, landowners have it tough to keep a place private. Further east of here is an area of a bunch of backwoods dwellers, with a bad attitude towards any landowner, these people are mean, uneducated, seemingly worthless trouble makers for land owners, especially new ones, I'll refrain from the stereotype label, but I did experience this first hand, know some of them to see, or know the names, these are the ones you have to be real careful with, as they are relentless about doing as they please, where they please. Very difficult to avoid escalation. The do not ask permission, poach all year, and just don't care, as they believe they have rights to any land around them. It makes me glad to be where I am and away from those kinds of places.
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