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Neutral is NOT same as Ground


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Posted by John T on August 14, 2012 at 16:43:11 from (216.249.82.117):

In Reply to: O/T Electrical question posted by 37Chief on August 14, 2012 at 14:23:58:

Great question, myself and the Buick Man and other sparkies have covered this ad nauseum probably a hundred times for yearssssss so I will just keep it brief AND NOT GO INTO ALL THE THEORY OF WHY, that could take a book to explain to a non electrical trained person. Ive tried to explain it here but failed miserably since you cant put in a paragraph what takes volumes and study and experience to comprehend, let alone expect a lay person to understand, so Ive pretty much given up. I just tell people they can do what the NEC experts and trained experienced electricians and engineers say to do orrrrrrrrr believe Billy Bob and his know it all brother in law say who wired their own home over a case of beer and are now experts lol ITS YOUR LIFE AND HOME SO MAKE YOUR CHOICE

YOUR QUESTIONS

Can I use a ground for my nuteral,???????

NOT ONLY NO BUT HILL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (per the NEC and all rules of safety at least, but you CAN and it would "work")

The safety Equipment Ground (often bare or green), a GroundING Conductor is ONLY for carrying Fault Current so the breaker opens and saves a life or prevents a fire

The Neutral is a GrounDED Conductor (AND ITS insulated) for carrying normal return current

If you mix n match and substitute one for the other you can dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee given certain circumstances

NOTE would you open an outlet and strip away the inulation off the white Neutral wire (hey theres a reason the neutral is insulated not bare) and tell your grandkids to touch it?????????? I sorta doubt it butttttttttttt if you go to mixin n matchin and substituting ground for neutral and a neutral circuit then gets connected to the outler metal case of an appliance (thats where the equipment ground is atatched ya know) THATS WHAT YOU JUST DID TO THE GRANDKID

Now ifffffffff you had TWO wires there and ifffffffffff One is hot line wire,,,,,,One is a true Neutral,,,,,,,,,THAT CAN SERVE FOR 120 VOLTS but thats a 2 wire circuit that could feed a non grounded 2 prong outlet mind you......If you had THREE wires there and One is a hot,,,,,,One is a true Neutral,,,,,,One is a true Equipment ground, then you can have 120 volts and a 2 pole 3 wire grounding type outlet........

HOWEVERRRRRRRR if it was a 240 volt branch circuit that fed a true 240 volt only appliance (i.e. NO 120 volt loads) it should have TWO hots plus an Equipment Ground (bare/green) AND THERES NO TRUE NEUTRAL

YOUR QUESTION
or do I need to pull a nuteral line from the panel? Thanks Stan

YESSSSSSSSS you need a true Neutral for 120 volts

ORRRRRRRRRR rewire (and tape colors) those three wires so one is Hot, one is Neutral and one is ground buttttttt you dont have 240 any longer that way !!!!!!!!

OKAY BILLY BOB dont have a calf YESSSSSS I know Neutral is bonded to ground at the main panel (and I know why also) and I know it will 'work" if he used ground, so feel free to do it anyway you darn please lol

Ol John T


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