Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Opinions of a 1466

Posted by Hugh MacKay on February 22, 2004 at 13:36:58 from (209.226.247.12):

In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: Re: Opinions of a 1466 posted by farmerbill on February 22, 2004 at 09:58:41:

Bill: That is your opinion, and yes I very much agree you are entitled to it. I suspect we aren't as far appart as one might think. I never had anything to do with a 1466 or 1486. On several ocasions my 1066 was placed on dyno and always made 160 hp and that was as it came from factory. Of 15 Farmalls I have owned, all but one of them exceeded their rated hp. I got a phone call one day in 1978, would I consider putting my tractor on a Rockland Rotoveyor for a demonstration of the rotoveyor. They advised that it required a minimum 200 hp, but nothing that size could be found in the area. I agreed but it had to be the operator of my choice. I took the tractor to the sight two days before demo as the rep from Rockland was going to be there to do the hookup. What I was faced with was a rather nasty older German guy, rather grumpy about the fact the tractor was not larger. Finally I said to him,"Do you just want to fight or shall we get this machine ready to go." With that he settled down and we got along just great. We had a bit of heavy lifting as there was some assembly with this machine as it had been shipped from Georgia to Nova Scotia. I went and found a skid loader for this. We briefly tried this machine and found we had to install 24 - 100 lb front end weights on the tractor. We put the full rack of 12 on tractor then set 12 up in bucket of skid loader, pulled in front of tractor and ran a heavy chain through the handles of the two sets. The day for the demonstration came and I put my 2 best operators on this as the organizers wanted to run continuous all day. I told the guys to spell each other off as they saw fit. The once grouchy German guy told them if they could sell his machine that day they would be well paid. By night fall the machine was sold. The grouchy old German guy took my operators out to dinner and as I recall they were quite well paid. I got a good hourly rate for the tractor as well, but didn't get invited to dinner.

The guy that bought the rotoveyor, bought a 200 hp 2 wheel drive MF with duals, that didn't work so they went to a MF 1500, 8 wheeler, it was too fast in 1st gear. A couple of guys lost their shirts on this machine. The last I saw of it a new owner operator had 225 hp Deere with 4x4 and duals behind. I wouldn't have wanted that machine on my tractor every day, but from what I've seen since the 1066 was just as productive as the others on that machine.

Getting back to the plows, your point is well taken. I will suggest that I wouldn't be afraid to try with less as long as the less was a pre 1980 Farmall. Remember my 656 with 6 front end weights no fluid or wheel weights, 16.9x38 rubber and an Excell cab, probably weighed in at less than 9,000 lbs. It pulled 5x16 semi-mount 8" deep in 2nd, hi on TA easily and ocasionally 3rd. It was plowing 5x16 = 80" at 8" deep, that is over half what a 8x18 = 144" would be plowing.

Now I do realize a 5 bottom semi-mount will probably give greater weight transfer proportionately than will an 8 bottom semi-mount. I have watched a few of those 7 to 10 bottom on land hitches operate, and cant see that they transfer a lot of weight to tractor. I watched a guy just last fall with 10x18 and an older 225 hp Case 8 wheeler. His tires weren't great, it was greasy, and it was causing him some difficulty. This land close by where I live is quite heavy clay. There were a couple of small corners, I plowed with my 130 and 2x12 plow, definately the toughest plowing I've ever done with that little machine. My farm was sandy loam and a picnic to plow along side this SW Ontario clay. I understand that right here we are in the worst of it. I planted some potatoes in this soil. I asked one local guy how they would grow in this clay. Oh he said,"they will grow, you may need an excavator to dig them if you have then burried well enough to prevent sunburn. I suspect this Middlesex clay compares very closely with your IL clay. Walk across it the day after the snow goes and in 50 feet your boots will weigh 25 lbs. each, does that sound familiar. The guys around here tell me they could never pull 5x16 with a 656. Most of them pulled 4x14, but with 15.5x38 tires. My 560 and my 656 both came new with 15.5x38, not much of a tire in my opinion. 16.9x38 made tractors out of those two.

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