Sad though it is to say, a weak mind that's active is still superior to a brilliant mind stuck in the sand. Have you ever thought about what would happen to our agricultural system without oil? It seems to me that 100-150 years ago things didn't operate at much 'gain'. People fed themselves and that was about it. 99% of the progress that's been made in the past century came with the usage of oil... So... my question, or challenge, again is this: prove that there is a NET ENERGY GAIN in ethanol production. I don't care how much money there is in it. I don't care how much distillers grain it produces. That's not relevant to the question. I don't know about anyone else, but when I studied high school physics they told us about somethign known as the law of conservation of mass and energy. Somebody needs to explain to me how ethanol defies this 'law', or how energy is added to the system in excess of the system's efficiency losses. I'm not aware of anyone who has explained that one yet. There's studies fueled by the ethanol industry and USDA that attempt to quantify energy inputs that suggest that ethanol makes gains. There's studies by the environmental movement that use the same basic methods, but who quarrell with the exact numbers... and they come out with an entirely different result. Who's correct? I don't trust either side to do an honest evaluation. Both have a vested interest in proving their point...
At the end of the day you're left with an industry that may at best be making a little more energy than it consumes, and at worst consuming a lot more than it produces. So... it would reason that if it's using more than it produces, it's using arab oil to do that. Cut the legs out from under it and you'll use less arab oil....
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Today's Featured Article - Talk of the Town: The Saga of Grandpa's Tractor - by The following saga is from the Tractor Talk Discussion Forum. Someone. The saga starts with the following message: Hey guys I have a decision to make. I know what you all will probably suggest and it will probably agree with me way down inside, but here it is. I have a picture blown up and framed in my "tractor room" of a Farmall M. It was my Grandpa's tractor, of which whom I never got to meet. He froze to death getting this tractor out of the barn to pull a truck out of the ditch before I was born. Anyway my dad and aunt had to sell it at the auction,
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