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Re: O/T Do I need closed center hydraulics


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Posted by RodInNS on September 26, 2008 at 15:08:49 from (216.118.158.123):

In Reply to: Re: O/T Do I need closed center hydraulics posted by jdemaris on September 26, 2008 at 07:09:53:

Actually, our 860 sat rusting because it was more efficient to use the 7710 than it was to use the 860. I don't disagree with your statement generally, but that tractor is not efficient in any league. I do generally use the smallest tractor I can get away with, but that tends to be a good deal more than the 860. We just got to the point where it wasn't practical to sit on a 40 hp tractor for days when the 80-100 hp will do the work in a fraction of the time.
Your friend using a 4020 isn't really an example of what I'd consider using irrelevant tractors. With the exception of it being 2 wheel drive it'll do anything that most modern tractors will. It's also an example of having a high end hydraulic system. That tractor pumps what, 20 gpm or 24 gpm? Extremly high for it's day and able to handle anythign in it's class yet. Had you bought a low spec tractor in it's day you'd get about 7 gpm, utterly, totally useless in a good many 80 horse tractors today.

I'd also be curious to know what happened to your firend's land since he retired? Was it cut into lots or rented out?
Reason I ask is because anyone who followed that scheme around here certainly got by with what they had, didn't owe money, made some money, probably maintained their old gear quite well etc... but they fully depreciated and decapitalized their business doing it. The options that exist for someone wanting to buy that operation or keep in running in the family are one of two things: go to their ears in debt and hope it works or walk away because they can't afford but it and make th epayments let alone upgrade it.
It works fine for the guy running the thing down, but when he expects someone to buy it from him and make a living, the numbers never work... which pushes someone to expand, debt, debt and more debt.
That's just how it works. We've lost 20% of our dairy producer numbers in the past 5 years and we lost 20% of that in the 5 years before that... and probably so on for the 5 years before that.
The main reason is that many of these farms were operated exactly as you describe and nobody can afford to buy the farms as operating units for the price they will fetch if broken up... so the cows go to the auction, the quota goes on the exchange, the equipment is sold at auction and the barns sit empty.
The land may sit idle, get rented out to someone else or get sold for building lots depending on where it's at.
The farms that continue on are farms that were continously upgraded with new equipment, new barns, ever expanding and many are heavily in debt. There are very few exceptions to that rule. Some do fail, but most keep going.

Rod


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