Re: A better, more sensible way to tax road use.

Posted by caterpillar guy on June 25, 2023 at 16:29:33 from (47.26.9.191):

In Reply to: A better, more sensible way to tax road use. posted by DoubleO7 on June 25, 2023 at 10:26:21:

For the trucks and fuel tax if you never had to pay it and figure it you would be surprised at how much they pay and how it works. then you have a hut tax and prorperty tax on them. fuel tax is based on the miles driven in each state along with the amount of fuel purchased. Then the states you don't buy fuel in you pay the full shot of fuel tax. there is an over purchase credit for each state except for a few like OR. Which you pay fuel tax whether you buy fuel or not. Then in states like PA,IL,MI WI,NC,FL all have high fuel taxes and places like IN,SC,WY,GA,have low fuel taxes. so if you buy enough fuel to cover more than the miles in the low fuel tax states you can actually still not pay any additional tax at the end of the Quarter. Fuel tax is paid at the pump on all states pretty much. So if you drive 500 miles in IL and only 200 in GA while buying 800 miles of fuel in IL you will get credit for IL fuel that can exceed the cost of fuel tax in GA sort of a right minus wrong deal on the quarterly tax forms. As for the hut tax that has it's caveat also. States like NY you pay a hut tax based on the miles you run in that state to the state. IF you run the Toll road or NY Thruway then it is reduced by half on it. And the full rate charged on the other miles. There is a property tax on the equipment based on the value and on the miles run in that state. Those states are KS,KY,NM,AR. So if you drive a new 180,000 dollar truck it pays more than a 40,000 dollar truck based on the same miles in that state. And Now it is suggested that the trucks should pay more. Then there is the 2290 form which is federal hut. It is 550for 80,000 LBS and is adjusted by weight class up to the 160,000 that can be hauled in MI. There are several states that have heavier weight limits on other highways in their states. MI,NY,WY,ND,SD,ID,WA,OR,and a few others I can't remember now. In MI while we can haul 160,00 we are allowed only 13,000 per axle for every axle more than a tandem set closer than 9feet. SO a Tandem is 32,000 after the first set then 39,00 for 3 and 52,000 for 4 and so on to 11 total axles. with the front axle basd on the width of the tire so if you havone of the wide 18-22.5 tires then you can have the 18,000 on the steer while a 1100-22.5 would be allowed about 14-15,000 based again on tire tread width, 750 PSI per inch of tire width so 750x11inchesx2 for both front tires. And you wonder why trucks can't keep things straight. IT took me most of my driving time to learn this much then get in to bridge formulas and I would bury most folks trying to keep that straight including myself. And then with over size you can get permits for more weight per axle on trucks to haul over weight loads like Some of the really big loads you see on the road. Anybody that wants to talk more about all this fuel tax and road tax can call me 989 413 5684. I'll try to explain it better or to my best ability. Now fuel taxes have been changed in MI for diesel fuel to a percentage of price and some other extra crap to keep track of. And you guys want to fool around with this good luck in being fair. And with the by the mile how are you going to monitor that by the honor system HAHAHA.

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