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Re: Flex fuel..real data


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Posted by paul on May 14, 2018 at 06:26:45 from (76.77.197.114):

In Reply to: Re: Flex fuel..real data posted by oldtanker on May 13, 2018 at 20:52:59:

As I expected, a tanker fella will support the oil industry to its dying day. :)

You are confusing raw energy available with the efficiency of using that energy.

If we pile up a mound of coal and light it, it will smoke and sputter and burn very poorly, but it will produce some energy.

If we break that coal into the proper size pieces, flow the proper amount of air through it to get the right mix of oxygen and coal surface
available, you have a very efficient burn creating maximum useable energy from that pile of coal.

A fireplace burns wood, uses most of the energy created to push smoke up the chimney and out of the house, taking warm air with it. A
fireplace makes heat, but very inefficiently. A catalytic wood burner cycles the right amount of air (oxygen) with the right amounts of wood and
wood gases to burn most of the energy and create heat, directed at heating the house, and sucks very little warm air out of a house. The same
pile of wood with the same energy content is much more efficient at heating a house in a modern wood furnace that simpler burning a pile of
sticks in an open brick column on a wall.

The difference between efficiency and energy.

Very basic concept.

Gasoline is a dirty fuel, some components of it evaporate at room temp, some need to be 400+ degrees to evaporate. Creating an even flame
front at the moment of ignition is very difficult. An uneven flame front inside a combustion engine makes poorer conversion of available power to
actual, useable energy.

Ethanol has a much easier to control ignition point. This makes It slightly more efficient.

You can hire two boys to help stack bales. One is stronger, able to do more work. But he complains a lot, checks his cell phone every 5
minutes, stops for water every 10 bales. The other boy is weaker, but he keeps a steady pace, he keeps pitching bales and stops for a break
when the work slows down.

The muscle bound kid has a lot more raw power, but the weaker boy gets more work done.

That is gasoline and ethanol.

We use ethanol in engines tuned for gasoline, so of course they appear more miles per gallon of gasoline. Duh.

But engines tend to get a few more miles per but from ethanol, and that is more noticeable on an engine that would be designed for ethanol.

I know, you will defend big oil until your dying day, you are an oil hauler, and that is your deal. I get it. I'm not trying to change your mind.

For the rest of the folk with open minds, ethanol helps us a lot in our fuel needs. We would be much poorer without it. E85 works if it is about 50
cents a gallon cheaper, E25 would be the perfect fuel with outer current fleet of vehicles, E10 helps us slightly stretch our fuel supplies and
adds some air quality to our lives. It all gets very technical and science based and folks glaze over pretty fast so won't get into i in a forum like
this. The info is out there, if you look for real research. Been available since the 1980s.

And, ethanol subsidies ended several years ago, so that's a pretty dead horse to keep beating too.

Oil, I enjoy your posts on every other topic on this forum, and really enjoy reading your stuff. On ethanol vs Big Oil, I think you are way off your
rocker. :)

Paul


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