Re: Operation Torch 11/8/42

Posted by RN on November 08, 2017 at 10:32:59 from (205.213.104.139):

In Reply to: Re: Operation Torch 11/8/42 posted by oldtanker on November 08, 2017 at 06:08:08:

totally unprepared? do some more research- plans for a join the British war in spring 1943 made. The Us was gearing up for the war in 1940, Curtis warplanes for French were sold and money used for more tooling for Wright Cyclones engines. Pratt and whitney got some money for molds for the twin row cases. Remington got the old rock island rifle tooling to make 1903a3 rifles. Lots of military goods contract for British after French sales over. CCC camp rexcruitment for Army before draft, navy had some recruiters and the shore facilities for training built. Pacific fleet got Pearl harbor base instead of San Fransisco. USA military and industry doing same thing as was done WW1- build up industry for military supplies and make British, French pay for initial costs instead of taxpayers. Philipines was the secondary proposed forward base against Japan if needed- thoughts of politicians was directed first at Germany, second at Japan and the politicians didn't think Japanese would strike when they did- intelligence consensus was Japan would leave US alone for 6 months until British, leftover french, dutch territories taken, then diplomats would make deals, Japan would strike after diplomats meetings were over, then the counter to have one big campaign- sort of like the Russians in 1904 defeat- and then the diplomats would talk again- didn't understand Japanese culture of ruling party, Black Dragon society influence--and second guess wrong was Japan would strike at Russia instead of honor non -aggression Pact same as Hitler had done. Wrong guess on Japans plans--but strategic industrial program was in effect mid 1940, production of weapons, training facilities being built, training excersizes for tanks done. Torch Planning was started as one of options before Japanese attack. Lend-lease as option after 'Cash and Carry' for allied weapons production was discussed- the WW1 production and loans for weapons that had given a couple of war profiters a big advantage was not popular 1940- lessons learned WW1 and political fallout afterwards. Germans struck first at Russians before they could use their plans to strike at Germany 1943, Gehlen had info about stalins proposals, KGB archives available to researcher after Soviet collapse showed pretty close on timing. US military 'fast response' to strike at Germany after Japanese attack-- plans already made, equipment being made, troops being trained.
russians got a lot of tooling out of western russia and shipped to Urals- plans had been made to do that before Barbarosa and timeline was pretty much followed to get strategic equipment out of range of Luftwaffe. Publicity at time of conflict has 'heroic' response, actual response was planned before attaks, plans A,B,C to Z if SHTF. 'Neutral' America was very friendly to British, supplies from US sent to Canada and then loaded on british shipping, then US ships would do some of their own trips, US navy attacking German craft before war declared- north atlantic convoys with american aircraft patrols, destroyers shooting at germans- provocations as planned against germany, economic sanctions, diplomatic sanctions against Japanese to delay them- object of diplomatic measures against germany as done WW1- 2 years or more of profitable war good production and then fresh troops sent at end to get share of war booty. Cynical historical analisis. RN

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