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Re: Fish and game wardens and some problems


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Posted by docmirror on November 02, 2016 at 12:32:58 from (107.213.165.255):

In Reply to: Fish and game wardens and some problems posted by jocco on October 29, 2016 at 08:18:16:

People lie about stuff all the time. Many of them right in front of an LEO. Which is what my little diatribe above was all about. No where would I advise anyone to lie to an LEO. However, the smart play is to say "NO SIR, you may not".

It's also very easy for an LEO to not see or not hear something. I absolutely love new smart phones! Cameras, audio, video. It's a gold mine in showing how LEO has ignored, misunderstood, misinterpreted, misheard, the word no. Which is strange, because it is a small, simple, easy to say word.

If you feel uncomfortable saying it, try asking for a warrant. Do not accept substitutes like 'I can have one here in 10 minutes' or 'we don't need it for exigent circumstances'. Ask for the warrant, if they don't have it, ask what the exigence is. Do you hear someone screaming? Do you see a body, body part, blood, or actual evidence in clear view of license/bag limit violations?(prior to that darn consent I mentioned, like the 35 ducks in the hull of the boat! hehe)

Lots of stupid people make it easy. A certain number of them are LEOs with a poor understanding of the rules of criminal evidence gathering and procedure.

Example: I landed a plane at a local lake and was swimming off the bow when F&G pulled up and said I'm not allowed to land here, and he was going to search my aircraft. Oh? Based on what suspicion? He advised it was unlawful to operate a plane off this lake. Well, show it to me. Find it in the USC, state, local statute and show it to me. Of course - it's not in there. So, he's hunting around for some operation violation about speed on the lake. Go ahead, but -- don't forget that applies to WATERCRAFT. This is a federally registered AIRCRAFT. I advised him to start looking in part 91. He demanded to see my license, which I"m required to present, and I guess he did some checking on the radio. Within 10 minutes, nothing to be found, so he advised me to 'operate in a safe manner around here' and sped off to some other violator. Like I was gonna go operate in an unsafe manner. yikes.


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