Re: Carrying knives and/or guns---- WARNING LONG

Posted by NCWayne on March 05, 2015 at 09:32:20 from (173.188.169.54):

In Reply to: Re: Carrying knives and/or guns---- WARNING LONG posted by Bryce Frazier on March 05, 2015 at 06:31:36:

Bryce, your exactly right, there are many instances of a 'good guy with a gun' handling a situation, and saving a life, or whatever, that never make headlines, while the use of a gun in a crime always seems to make the national news. This is something that every responsible gun owner should be fighting against, and attempting to make right by exercising their rights, and doing so in a responsible manner. Unfortunately far too many would rather hide the fact they are a gun owner, hide the fact they carry, etc, for whatever reason. In any case it does none of us any good and leaves a very few of us with the task of trying to do it all.

That being said, I'm not intending to dog you here, as you seem to have your stuff together pretty good for a kid your age, but I agree with the thought that you do need to mature a little more.

Like I said, that's not dogging you, it's just fact. At your age you don't have the life lessons under your belt to always think about a situation 'completely' and make the best decision, as your frame of reference/knowledge is still too small.

I say this because of what you just wrote about the guy that caught the thief stealing his chains and binders. Personally I think the guy went a bit far putting someone in the hospital over his stuff. That's not to say the thief shouldn't have been subdued and caught by 'any means necessary', as that fact is a given.

By saying that doesn't mean that I think beating him to the point this guy did was right. In fact the guy could have gotten himself in trouble for using excessive force, or even killing the thief if his injuries had been serious enough. In either case it could have resulted in the guy being jailed himself. To me a set of chains and binders isn't worth going to jail over.

I know laws differ from state to state, but here in NC you can use physical force to protect your belongings, but deadly force is allowed only to protect life.

In other words if I caught someone stealing from me, I can attempt to stop them physically, and I can even pull my gun if I really wanted to, and I can even hope that just seeing it drawn would cause them to stop what they were doing. However I could do nothing but stand there with a gun pointed at them, as they still walked off with everything, because I can not shoot them just for taking my stuff. If I did I'd go to jail. Now if the same thief was stealing say a piece of pipe, and turned and came at me, with what I perceived as an intent to harm me, then yes, I could shoot, but ONLY if I was in fear for my life. Now the 'fear for your life' doesn't apply when your inside your home, vehicle, or place of business, but even then pure old common sense HAS to be applied before you commit to taking someone's life.

Unlike a knife, which many use mainly as a tool by most people, a gun is different. As a result of that difference, when you pull a gun, you have to understand something. The minute it leaves the holster it ceases to be a 'tool of deterrent', and it does become a weapon, and you have to be willing, and able to use that weapon, or it becomes nothing but a liability.

One thing I have always been taught, if you draw a weapon you better be ready to use it. If you are forced to do so, you never shoot to wound, you always shoot to kill. That way of thinking has been passed down to me, and I've passed it down to my daughter. When she was 11 years old, we were target shooting one day, and my wife commented on the fact that she, 'could do some damage' with the pistol if she ever needed to because she was consistently hitting the target. Our daughters response was to turn and look at her Mom and say, "Mommy, if something happens and I ever have to shoot somebody, I'm not going to damage them, I'm going to kill them".

Now that doesn't mean I think my daughter is responsible enough to carry a pistol with her all the time, at her current age of 12. However it does tell me that she understands the seriousness of her actions should someone ever try to break in and hurt her when she is home alone. She knows how to use her .357 (she shoots .38 specials), and she is pretty good with it, so I pity the fool that ever tries anything and gets in her sights.

Like I said, I'm not trying to dog you on this, but given your age, and way of thinking, you do need to mature a bit, just as others have stated. Based upon your current outlook on things, especially when it comes to something like carrying a gun you need at least a few more years behind you before your ready to handle that responsibility, at least in a public setting....Now thats coming from a guy who was carrying Dad's rifle, or 12ga, into the woods to hunt small game, alone, when I was 12....something I don't think you'd have any problem handling when you were that age either.

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