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Re: adding 2cycle oil to diesel fuel for vehickes??


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Posted by jdemaris on October 31, 2014 at 08:14:07 from (70.194.11.75):

In Reply to: Re: adding 2cycle oil to diesel fuel for vehickes?? posted by mkirsch on October 31, 2014 at 05:35:29:

There are published results done on fuel
lubricity and mechanical injection pumps. Done
with controls and John T's "Bubba" not
involved. Here's an older one, one of many. GM
did one, Stanadyne did one, The US Army did
one, etc. Lucas did one. I've read over a dozen
and I'm sure there are more. I don't know
where you nay-sayers come up with this
anecdotal nonsense that NO real tests have been
done.

I've read countless claims by diesel pickup
owners from the 80s-90s with mechanical
injection pumps and problems by 150,000 miles
(or sooner). They have their pumps exchanged
and are usually clueless as to what really went
wrong and why.

Here's one older study. One of many.

Lubricity Additive Study Results


PURPOSE:

The purpose of this research was to determine
the ability of multiple diesel fuel additives
to replace the vital lubricity component in
ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel) fuel.


CONTENT:

In this study we will test multiple diesel fuel
additives designed to replace lost lubricity.
The primary component of this study is a side-
by-side laboratory analysis of each additive’s
ability to replace this vital lubricity.
Additionally, claims of improving cetane, water
separation or emulsification, bio-diesel
compatibility and alcohol content will be
noted. These notes were derived from
information that was readily available to
consumers (via the label and internet
information) and none of this information has
been evaluated for validity and/or performance
. Cetane information has only been noted if the
word “cetane” was used in the advertising
information. The words “improves power” has not
been translated to mean “improves cetane” in
this evaluation. Information on alcohol content
is provided by indicating “contains no
alcohol”. Omission of the words “contains no
alcohol” does not imply that it does contain
alcohol. This information was simply missing in
the information available to a consumer.
However, the possibility of a form of alcohol
in these products is possible. Additionally,
information on dosages and cost per tankful are
included for comparison purposes.

How Diesel Fuel Is Evaluated For Lubricating
Ability:

Diesel fuel and other fluids are tested for
lubricating ability using a device called a
“High Frequency Reciprocating Rig” or HFRR. The
HFRR is currently the Internationally accepted,
standardized method to evaluate fluids for
lubricating ability. It uses a ball bearing
that reciprocates or moves back and forth on a
metal surface at a very high frequency for a
duration of 90 minutes. The machine does this
while the ball bearing and metal surface are
immersed in the test fluid (in this case,
treated diesel fuel). At the end of the test
the ball bearing is examined under a microscope
and the “wear scar” on the ball bearing is
measured in microns. The larger the wear scar,
the poorer the lubricating ability of the
fluid. Southwest Research runs every sample
twice and averages the size of the wear scar.
The U.S. standard for diesel fuel says a
commercially available diesel fuel should
produce a wear scar of no greater than 520
microns. The Engine Manufacturers Association
had requested a standard of a wear scar no
greater than 460 microns, typical of the pre-
ULSD fuels. Most experts agree that a 520
micron standard is adequate, but also that the
lower the wear scar the better.

METHOD:

An independent research firm in Texas was hired
to do the laboratory work. The cost of the
research was paid for voluntarily by the
participating additive manufacturers. Declining
to participate and pay for the research were
the following companies: Amsoil and Power
Service. Because these are popular products it
was determined that they needed to be included
in the study. These products were tested using
funds collected by diesel enthusiasts at
“dieselplace.com”. Additionally, unconventional
additives such as 2-cycle oil and used motor
oil were tested for their abilities to aid in
diesel fuel lubricity. These were also paid for
by members of “dieselplace.com”.
The study was conducted in the following
manner:
-The Research firm obtained a quantity of
“untreated” ULSD fuel from a supplier. This
fuel was basic ULSD fuel intended for use in
diesel engines. However, this sample was
acquired PRIOR to any attempt to additize the
fuel for the purpose of replacing lost
lubricity. In other words, it was a “worst case
scenario, very dry diesel fuel” that would
likely cause damage to any fuel delivery
system. This fuel was tested using the HFRR at
the Southwest Research Laboratory. This fuel
was determined to have a very high HFRR score
of 636 microns, typical of an untreated ULSD
fuel. It was determined that this batch of fuel
would be utilized as the baseline fuel for
testing all of the additives. The baseline fuel
HFRR score of 636 would be used as the control
sample. All additives tested would be evaluated
on their ability to replace lost lubricity to
the fuel by comparing their scores to the
control sample. Any score under 636 shows
improvement to the fuels ability to lubricate
the fuel delivery system of a diesel engine .

BLIND STUDY:

In order to ensure a completely unbiased
approach to the study, the following steps were
taken:
Each additive tested was obtained independently
via internet or over the counter purchases. The
only exceptions were Opti-Lube XPD and the bio-
diesel sample. The reason for this is because
Opti-Lube XPD additive was considered
“experimental” at the time of test enrollment
and was not yet on the market. It was sent
directly from Opti-Lube company. The bio-diesel
sample was sponsored by Renewable Energy Group.
One of their suppliers, E.H. Wolf and Sons in
Slinger, Wisconsin supplied us with a sample of
100% soybean based bio-diesel. This sample was
used to blend with the baseline fuel to create
a 2% bio-diesel for testing.
Each additive was bottled separately in
identical glass containers. The bottles were
labeled only with a number. This number
corresponded to the additive contained in the
bottle. The order of numbering was done
randomly by drawing names out of a hat. Only
Spicer Research held the key to the additives
in each bottle.
The additive samples were then sent in a box to
An independent research firm. The only
information given them was the ratio of fuel to
be added to each additive sample. For example,
bottle “A” needs to be mixed at a ratio of
“480-1”. The ratio used for each additive was
the “prescribed dosage” found on the bottle
label for that product. Used motor oil and 2-
cycle oil were tested at a rationally chosen
ratio of 200:1.
The Research Laboratory mixed the proper ratio
of each “bottled fluid” into a separate
container containing the baseline fuel. The
data, therefore, is meaningful because every
additive is tested in the same way using the
same fuel. A side-by-side comparison of the
effectiveness of each additive is now
obtainable.

THE RESULTS:

These results are listed in the order of
performance in the HFRR test. The baseline fuel
used in every test started at an HFRR score of
636. The score shown is the tested HFRR score
of the baseline fuel/additive blend.
Also included is the wear scar improvement
provided by the additive as well as other
claimed benefits of the additive. Each additive
is also categorized as a Multi-purpose
additive, Multi-purpose + anti-gel, Lubricity
only, non-conventional, or as an additive
capable of treating both gasoline and diesel
fuel.
As a convenience to the reader there is also
information on price per treated tank of diesel
fuel (using a 26 gallon tank), and dosage per
26 gallon tank provided as “ounces of additive
per 26 gallon tank”.

In Order Of Performance:

1) 2% REG SoyPower biodiesel
HFRR 221, 415 micron improvement.
50:1 ratio of baseline fuel to 100% biodiesel
66.56 oz. of 100% biodiesel per 26 gallons of
diesel fuel
Price: market value

2)Opti-Lube XPD
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
cetane improver, demulsifier
HFRR 317, 319 micron improvement.
256:1 ratio
13 oz/tank
$4.35/tank

3)FPPF RV, Bus, SUV Diesel/Gas fuel treatment
Gas and Diesel
cetane improver, emulsifier
HFRR 439, 197 micron improvement
640:1 ratio
5.2 oz/tank
$2.60/tank

4)Opti-Lube Summer Blend
Multi-purpose
demulsifier
HFRR 447, 189 micron improvement
3000:1 ratio
1.11 oz/tank
$0.68/tank

5)Opti-Lube Winter Blend
Muti-purpose + anti-gel
cetane improver
HFRR 461, 175 micron improvement
512:1 ratio
6.5 oz/tank
$3.65/tank

6)Schaeffer Diesel Treat 2000
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
cetane improver, emulsifier, bio-diesel
compatible
HFRR 470, 166 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.87/tank

7)Super Tech Outboard 2-cycle TC-W3 engine oil
Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage
2007 or newer systems)
HFRR 474, 162 micron improvement
200:1 ratio
16.64 oz/tank
$1.09/tank

8)Stanadyne Lubricity Formula
Lubricity Only
demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel compatible, alcohol
free
HFRR 479, 157 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.00/tank

9)Amsoil Diesel Concentrate
Multi-purpose
demulsifier, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol
free
HFRR 488, 148 micron improvement
640:1 ratio
5.2 oz/tank
$2.16/tank

10)Power Service Diesel Kleen + Cetane Boost
Multi-purpose
Cetane improver, bio-diesel compatible, alcohol
free
HFRR 575, 61 micron improvement
400:1 ratio
8.32 oz/tank
$1.58/tank

11)Howe’s Meaner Power Kleaner
Multi-purpose
Alcohol free
HFRR 586, 50 micron improvement
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.36/tank

12)Stanadyne Performance Formula
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
cetane improver, demulsifier, 5% bio-diesel
compatible, alcohol free
HFRR 603, 33 micron improvement
480:1 ratio
6.9 oz/tank
$4.35/tank

13)Used Motor Oil, Shell Rotella T 15w40, 5,000
miles used.
Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage
systems)
HFRR 634, 2 micron improvement
200:1 ratio
16.64 oz/tank
price: market value

14)Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant
Gas or diesel
HFRR 641, 5 microns worse than baseline
(statistically insignificant change)
427:1 ratio
7.8 oz/tank
$2.65/tank

15)B1000 Diesel Fuel Conditioner by Milligan
Biotech
Multi-purpose, canola oil based additive
HFRR 644, 8 microns worse than baseline
(statistically insignificant change)
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$2.67/tank

16)FPPF Lubricity Plus Fuel Power
Multi-purpose + anti-gel
Emulsifier, alcohol free
HFRR 675, 39 microns worse than baseline fuel
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$1.12/tank

17)Marvel Mystery Oil
Gas, oil and Diesel fuel additive (NOT ULSD
compliant, may damage 2007 and newer systems)
HFRR 678, 42 microns worse than baseline fuel.
320:1 ratio
10.4 oz/tank
$3.22/tank

18)ValvTect Diesel Guard Heavy Duty /Marine
Diesel Fuel Additive
Multi-purpose
Cetane improver, emulsifier, alcohol free
HFRR 696, 60 microns worse than baseline fuel
1000:1 ratio
3.32 oz/tank
$2.38/tank

19)Primrose Power Blend 2003
Multi-purpose
Cetane boost, bio-diesel compatible, emulsifier
HFRR 711, 75 microns worse than baseline
1066:1 ratio
3.12 oz/tank
$1.39/tank

CONCLUSIONS:

Products 1 through 4 were able to improve the
unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 460 or
better. This meets the most strict requirements
requested by the Engine Manufacturers
Association.
Products 1 through 9 were able to improve the
unadditized fuel to an HFRR score of 520 or
better, meeting the U.S. diesel fuel
requirements for maximum wear scar in a
commercially available diesel fuel.
Products 16 through 19 were found to cause the
fuel/additive blend to perform worse than the
baseline fuel. The cause for this is
speculative. This is not unprecedented in HFRR
testing and can be caused by alcohol or other
components in the additives. Further
investigation into the possibilities behind
these poor results will investigated.
Any additive testing within +/- 20 microns of
the baseline fuel could be considered to have
no significant change. The repeatability of
this test allows for a +/- 20 micron
variability to be considered insignificant.


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