I agree with you oldiron,and i do understand what your saying ,but i also believe that gov SPENDING is not neccesarily the root problem.the real root problem is not the spending, but them spending money they dont have,and i think you are saying this also. But to me the problem is not the "HAVES" ,that pay taxes, its the "HAVE NOTS" that dont. this is where the so called grey area of taxes comes in. do you and i continue to support the folks who dont pay with our taxes ,propigating the problem? or do we say enough is enough ,that democracy doesnt mean a handout or a RIGHT to live,but it means simply you have the freedom to live as you choose on your OWN initiative like the constitution says ? I dont get in on these programs,though ive bought and planted i cant even say how many acres of crp grass and things, have had gov people advise me of this and that and whatever.I support those folks 100% simply because they are workers albeit gov workers who have a job and pay taxes.thats their job,and I support anyone who makes jobs possible. But there again i dont begrudge folks who use these programs. i believe that its not my place to support everyone in this country,I'll support my family,thats who iam responsible for ONLY.if the folks who utilize these programs get money back from the gov,and pay in $1 taxes above what they recieve they simply are NOT a problem,no way no how no way you figure it COULD they be it just plain doesnt figure out that way.The very best thing that could happen to this country in my opinion is a good plain old famine.every farmer in the country should just say we are not going to farm next year and let the folks who are ACTUALLY on the dole starve. one of two things would happen,either they would starve and lighten the load ,or they would find someway of working to support themselves. till they go to work, or otherwise get off the lam,nothing will change period. BUT.. you know what would happen if all farmers did that? in 24 hours you would see a gov man at your door making you work to feed the rest, the reason? gov is not the real problem, POLITICIANS in gov is the problem.they depend on that segment of or country they control through handouts.without them they cannot exist,till they change nothing else will period.gov doesnt spend money,,its an idea, a common belief in our way of life ,its words on paper. politicians are the problem they are the ones that spend. till the masses start taking responsibility for them selves theres no reason to argue about these programs ,as long as one single dollar comes in from the ag industry above its cost,its neutral its self sustaining ,it has no bearing on the problem whatsoever.same way with any individual farmer,as long as he pays that one single dollar in taxes,hes 100$ sustainable REGARDLESS of how much money he makes,takes,spends, or otherwise.
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