rlp in co. said: (quoted from post at 22:45:15 10/22/11) Are you raising genetic modified (devil's corn) corn or corn that God made? Perhaps it's getting hard to find natural corn.
I just read a couple of days ago that they now have GM wheat. I'll have to find a source to buy natural wheat too, it looks like.
It wouldn't surprise me to see people dieing like flys one of these days from eating the poisoned GM foods. Some farmers don't even know they are planting crops that contain poison in them.
You might just have found out that there is a demand for natural grains. If it had been me, I would have said, send the check and when it clears the bank I'll ship the grain, and of course added in the shipping charge. Who cares if he's crazy or not. His money would spend just as good as a sane person.
Curious if you watch a lot of TV programs about Monsanto, like what they have on Current TV... I'm not sure about any of the GM stuff. I mean, what is worse? spraying 24-D, Atrazine, Banvil? or... spraying highly concentrated salts? [isopropyl amine salt] POEA is in all the other sprays, a lot of which are class VI or higher. In PA, I need a spraying license to even purchase or apply atrazine. POEA is a surfactant, and with almost all types of crop oils, you are going to have health issues. I'm pretty sure Atrazine has actually been found to lower sperm counts, as well as turning male tadpoles into hermaphrodites. LOL always love any poison that will burn the nuggets off a frog!
So, the question is, what is worse? what type of GM wheat are you talking about? If it is GM'ed to resist isopropyl amine salts, then that puts it into the much talked about realm of "round-up ready." I think Monsanto has gotten such a bad rap mainly because of the controversy around how the GM'ed seed was released. It was done during the Reagan or HW administration, at a time when the government was all about deregulating in order to spur the economy. So, under the guise of "the evil gub'ment is out to kill us all" many people took this to mean that they were trying to hide something. Well, sure, I have heard that POEA is brutal to anything living, even though the isopropyl amine salts are the actual main killing ingredient. So, should Monsanto replace POEA with another less harmful surfactant? I am sure it can be done. But will we be harmed by eating anything GM'ed? I don't know that. I wouldn't worry to much, personally. Corn itsself was originally a tall grass that we kept breeding in order to give it the traits that we are most familiar with. If the South Americans had not done this, corn(maize) as we know it would never existed at all. Is it possible to do it in one step, by taking a grass, adn genetically modifying it (I'm pretty sure they bombard tissues from teh plant with gold laced in certain ions, which sounds creepy, yes) to have a cob with seeds? I'd bet it can be done. But, who is to say that we haven't all been playing God in some form or another. Look at dog breeders who purposefully breed dogs with desirable traits, and neuter the rest. To me, that is creepy... same thing with hogs, sheep, cattle, chickens... but, it's how people are able to make more and more money in an industry that is very unstable and vulnerable. It's all very creepy when you start thinking about it.
Some of the people who would probably be dead without GMO are diabetics. Honestly, that has to be one of the greatest achievements in medicine in the 20th century. Polio would be up there too, but GM'ed bacteria was the breakthrough that made commercially available insulin. Think about all the people who need that. Will it kill them? Chances are, they would die without it.
I'm not trying to debate the issue.
I don't grow RR corn, or RR wheat, but, RR soybeans are the only way I could get beans to grow around here. If I can't get clean beans, I can't get enough yeild to make them worth the cost of planting. and to be completely honest, the only reason I grow soybeans is so that I can run my combine more often. Any chance I get to run a combine, I will take.
But, to get back on point...
No questions about the type of wheat were asked, aside from if it was suitable for cooking. and yes, even GMOs are suitable for cooking. Regardless of whether or not the corn, grains, and beans are GM'ed, in some way, unless grown certified naturally, or organically, are going to come into contact with some form of "poison."
I know quite a bit about "certified naturally grown" and I can tell you that some of the stuff they consider "kosher" is not exactly what I would consider legitimate. I mean, I don't drink city water, and to me it takes like chemicals. The chemicals in that water fall into the same class of chelated micronutrients that certified naturally grown farmers apply to correct soil deficiencies. How do your tomatoes taste with a splash of magnesium IDS?
The one time in my life I actually wanted to punch a farmer in the nose, was a CNG farmer who scolded me for suggesting lye as a pH balancer. Saying I was polluting the globe... Ok, stills boils my blood thinking about her telling me that. So, I offered her a big soft pretzel. Little does she, or most people know that the way they get that golden brown exterior on a big soft pretzel is by putting them in a bath of boiling water and LYE. It rearranges the molecules in the dough in creates that dark brown crusty goodness. Now, as she muched on her pretzel, I thought to myself, "Who are these people? Where is my great big chalkboard and restraints when I need them?" Some people, I swear, even if you chained them to a chair and made them listen, would never hear a word because their knowledge is based too much on opinion and not enough on facts.
Im not saying anything against anyone, and certainly not you. Like I said, I have not formed an opinion on GMOs but I do find lots of things "creepy."
Does that make sense?
Oh, and my wheat doesn't get sprayed. I do use GMS fertilizer in teh spring, but I just don't like teh look of tram lines through a wheat field. I guess I am a bit OCD about stuff like that!
Moderators, please don't delete this if you feel it is too political, just let me know, and I will edit it, or, if you feel it is too much, then I understand, but at teh same time, I'd like to hear exactly where the line was crossed. More people need to research and learn adn that is the message I am trying to convey.
This post was edited by John_PA at 20:37:50 10/22/11 2 times.
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