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Re: Farmall M with 400 head


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Posted by The tractor vet on February 15, 2010 at 07:07:00 from (75.19.124.251):

In Reply to: Re: Farmall M with 400 head posted by D Slater on February 15, 2010 at 06:18:35:

Nope the gas of today is not as good as back in the sixty's . TRW had a write up in the high performance cat. about what pistons could be run on what gas in what engines . And on todays gas the max comp ration on the 93 is 9.5 to 1 and only with limited timing . And justy like the 706-865 gassers if your going to use them as a work tractor ya got to run the 93 as that is the lowest octane ya can go . Back in the sixty's the reg. gas was 95 octane the only thing lower was Gulf Tane and it was 90or 91 and you could get a old Cheve 6 cylinder to rattle on that stuff and diesel at shut down . Back then there were Premium fuel engines and reg fuel engines . and 10.5 to 1 was common and some of the higher end engines were sporting 11 to one . I tryed to run a 11 to one engine in my one pick up on the hightest not good . ended up changing pistons and heads to get it down to something that would run what you could buy at the pump. The first big truck that i started driving was a B60 Mack with a huge 6 cylinder gasser and it ran on High Test as all the gas powered semi's did back then. Oh for the old days as i would buy my gas where we got gas for the semi's on the company account for 17.9 a gallon and it did well in my 56 ford rag top with the 292 with dual quads 312 blower head and a isky fullrace cam with a mallory dual point dist. and headman headers . I could run the gas at Gas Town the truck stop or i could run Sunoco 240 and i could run Ashland hightest the rest would ping . also back then the pistons were FORGED and today they are Cast. and a cast piston will not carry the heat away as fast as a forged one will. I did a lot of playing around with lets go fast engines in my younger days and i made my fair share of shell we say SPARE parts..I had a saying back then that WHEN THEY GO THEY GO , But WHEN THEY GLOW THEY BLOW .when that one 706 gasser seized up because of pistons getting so hot that they seezed in the bore when i saw where they seized i knew that they got super hot to swell over .025. as they miced out at between .0195 to .020 smaller above the top ring then the skirt and i had built .004 skirt to wall into the engine miced each piston and miced each hole and fitted each to the hole . Ran that engine in at the shop for about 7 hours on the dyno varing load and speeds . The farmer never worked it hard all winter just feeding and hauling manure . When it was time to take it to the field to plow he got gas at a local station and went to plowing sometime that day he had fuel brought to the arm and put in his tank . The first day the tractor never missed a beat . The next day he filled from his tank and never made it to the far end of the field when it seized . when i opened up the engine and saw what had happened i knew what went on and that is when we sought out a lab to test the gas and the lab repor confermed what i though had happened . The fuel suppier brought out 87 octane and the gas that he got from the station was 93 and according to the fuel requirements of a 706 the lowest is 93. And this was taken from a 706 owner manual. But back to like Pete said timing on that set uppp makes a lot of dofference and myself i would make a paper weight out of the mag and set up a dist that would maxiumiz the components that are in that engine .


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