Hugh MacKay said: (quoted from post at 18:38:27 09/04/08) NDS: I was a young lad 10-12 years old when the Super Hs and Ms appeared on the scene. I don't remember any Stage I or II advertized by IH. Hydraulics be they belly pump or live pump were always optional. I know of several Hs that were sold new without hydraulics of any kind. I also know of a 53 Super M sold new with no hydraulics. There is a 54 Super H not far from me, 300 type front bolster, battery under the seat and Z codes and it was bought new without the optional hydraulics. It has no hydraulics of any description, never did have from the day it was new.
I think this Stage I and II thing is something dreamed up by collectors. I never heard IH use it in any way. I knew about the SMTA, I knew about the SA1 and a Super C had optional fast hitch. So hydraulics don't dictate this Stage thing. We all know disc brakes did not occur at model change. Super H got the 300 front bolster when IH ran out of the old type casting. Probably got the battery box under ths seat when they ran out of the old stock. Super MTA occured because of demand for IPTO, there was still some M sheet metal in stock and 400 castings were ready. Super A1 occured because the the upgrades for C-123 engine were allready on the tractor. Imaginations do wonderful things.
Hugh: Hey, ol' buddy! Everything you say is EXACTLY correct in my book. It is us collectors who call them by stages to differentiate the major changes. The Super A-1 could have just as easily been dubbed the Super A Stage 2 by collectors. But, "Legend becomes fact", as they say..... and so now the SH and SM series become known by stages, although IH never used the term. Hello to Marg. mike
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