Re: M clutch replacement

Posted by ScottyHOMEy on April 07, 2009 at 06:56:10 from (70.105.245.98):

In Reply to: Re: M clutch replacement posted by mkirsch on April 07, 2009 at 05:49:48:

Huh?

I'm LOL a little at "Fortunately, it's pretty obvious what needs to be done once you look." It reads like the line in some of the manuals (both IH and I&T) that goes something like, "Steps for removal of the whatchamacallit will be evident upon removal of the whatzit." I've hit that dead end more than once! But, these old girls are pretty simple in their construction, and a book or two, a little noodling, and some common sense in regard to both safety and the fine art of wrenching will usually get a job done. All that and coming here for guidance when you're stumped.

I think Par 188-200 in the I&T IH-8 actually go into a good bit of detail on clutch R&R, and more so on Hs and Ms (197-200) than on As, Bs and Cs. It starts with the removal of the belly pump, with a reference to the section to get you through that, how to use three cover bolts to unload the clutch, and goes so far as to list what all has to be removed by those folks "lucky" enough to be working on an M that requires it. I don't see what's lacking.

As far as the IH manuals, the Blue Ribbon Service Manual for the A&B is pretty weak on clutch info, and I don't know that those for the C,H or M should be any better in that regard. They do reference the service training guide for clutch service, which is carried both by the store on this site and by Binder Books. Having never seen that manual, I could only guess whether it has any better step-by-step guide to R&R than the I&T. Could be that it only deals with issues like specs and tolerances, turning of flywheels and the like, but it may also detail procedures and order of work to get the belly pump out of the way and splitting in those cases that that is necessary. Maybe someone who has one will chime in, as $30some is a bit chancy to shell out for something that may not have what you want in it for information.

Yes, any manual specific to these tractors will assume some level of experience or training. They weren't written for a fellow whose first venture into a motor or clutch or transmission is on one of these tractors. They won't tell you what size or type wrenches to use. They won't have any instruction on safe jacking, blocking and hoisting. They don't warn you how heavy the belly pump is. My view is that those gaps are filled in by the contributors here sharing their experience and tips, stuff that isn't in the books. We sort of take the place of the IH training program for their techs.

The other thing I've found awfully useful to have around when I get into projects like that is the parts catalog. H had some odd names for things, and names that might apply to two different things you might see while lying under the tractor. The manuals sometimes have limited parts diagrams that apply to some of their procedures, but the parts catalog can be a wonderful and useful thing when those diagrams are inadequate and don't answer your question.

So I guess I agree, there is no single Better Homes and Gardens manual. With or without experience backing you up, it sometimes takes two or three books to analyze a problem and fix it.

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