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Brian Jasper co

01-18-2009 18:55:55




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As long as we're a little off topic, I'm wondering how bad it's going to be. My wife's best friend just wrecked her car coming home from a bar. Spent a night in the hospital. Totaled the car. She hasn't been arrested for the DUI, but they took blood, no question about over the limit. We're wondering if her insurance will pay off since she was drunk?




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tlak

01-19-2009 17:27:58




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Is she running for Congress or the Presidency?



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Bendee

01-19-2009 19:38:21




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 Re: DUI? in reply to tlak, 01-19-2009 17:27:58  
Some years ago, a retired Premiers of this State had an accident in which a person was killed. The blood test was taken at the Hospital.
Strangely IT disappeared. No case.Story was he was p##sed to the eyeballs.Anyway the old B@@tard didn't last long.
If you are a b@@tard when you are alive,then you are still a b@@tard when you are dead.Amen.



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kyplowboy

01-19-2009 20:08:02




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Bendee, 01-19-2009 19:38:21  
I have not been watch'n the news much, but did not hear the that Ten Kennedy had died. Guess they have had too much other stuff to talk about the last few weeks.



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01-19-2009 15:06:30




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
I am sorry to hear what happened here. Without knowing all the specifics, while I agree that you should not be drunk driving, most accidents caused by drunks are 2.0 or better and a DUI is .08. DUI should be something like 1.5. Think about all the other things that cause accidents...cell phones, eating, reading, makeup, sleepy, etc. I don"t like to see accidents, but they happen and there are lots of causes. DUI has become singled out as the problem and I tell you there are so many more bigger problems than the person that has a few beers. DUI is a huge money maker and seems focused on when lets focus on more serious crimes. I know several good people who have gotten pulled over, got DUI, paid dearly. None of these people caused an accident.
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1936

01-19-2009 15:00:01




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Texin or talking on cell is same as driving drunk?



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jason eddleston

01-19-2009 12:46:34




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
the police didn"t give her a ticket for dui on the spot,"the TEST" they give,walk in a straight line,so on,the hospital is the only one that knows the exact blood achol contant.just went threw the same thing with some one i know



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phillipd

01-19-2009 11:56:42




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
My Sister's been dead for 24 years thanks to some f@cking drunk drivers,I don't give a ratts a$$ if they don't pay her a cent and her lucky to be alive a$$ rots in prison!pd.



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D-C-741

01-19-2009 15:18:27




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 Re: DUI? in reply to phillipd, 01-19-2009 11:56:42  
Sorry of the loss ! Lets All So Get After The People on There CELL PHONES There Just As Bad !!!



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kelly C

01-19-2009 08:31:56




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
The punishment needs to be harder than it is. If you are a drunk driver you are driving a leathal weapon with your head up your butt. You should be treated as such.

Incedently you could buy a nice new vehicle for what your auto insurance will go up.
Thats why 2 time DUIers never have insurance.



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jayinny

01-19-2009 07:55:06




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Never could understand bars, you drive there to drink, some drink to much, hummmm like this person, then drive home. Why not just stay home and get blasted. Its gotta be way cheaper, in more ways than one too! good luck



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LAA

01-19-2009 07:24:12




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
There are a whole lot of sanctimonius people on this thread who talk like they were never young or did anything foolish. The truth is that most of the so called DUI cases are revenue enhancement just like speeding tickets etc. How many dope heads without jobs and drunks who don't work are pulled over and charged, very few because the precincts don't want to feed them in jail, they want someone who can pay a fine.

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kyplowboy

01-19-2009 20:13:21




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 Re: DUI? in reply to LAA, 01-19-2009 07:24:12  
Well said!

Crankheads ain't got money, states don't have money, cops go after the nice car that weaves a little and waves at the crankheads as they drive by while the person with money does stupid human tricks.

Dave



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RodInNS

01-19-2009 14:08:40




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 Re: DUI? in reply to LAA, 01-19-2009 07:24:12  
There's a lot more truth in that than most want to admit.
I'd also hazard a guess that if you looked at a lot of the things that take place on the highway, you'd find that there are a lot more people falling asleep, driving too fast for conditions, not paying attention, and various other things moreso than there are drunk drivers. All would represent some form of IMPAREMENT.... Seems it's only the drunk ones that get singled out tho, and they certainly pay the heaviest price personally, when ALL are engaging in something equally as dangerous. I'd be willing to bet that the idiot that killed someone while reaching for an I-pod will get less time than the drunk that killed someone.
But... it's just not popular to say these things or point out the difference.

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tlak

01-19-2009 17:34:52




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 Re: DUI? in reply to RodInNS, 01-19-2009 14:08:40  
There is obviously a difference. The Ipod person is inattentive, the drunk is impaired the whole trip. I know a person that hit stuff and never knew what he hit when he looked at his car the next day. Finally got his DUI and quit.



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RodInNS

01-19-2009 21:05:25




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 Re: DUI? in reply to tlak, 01-19-2009 17:34:52  
No, there's not much difference when you get right down to it. Dead is still dead no matter how you got there.
Asleep at the wheel is just as deadly as drunk at the wheel with the possible exception that the drunk might have half a chance. At least he's awake.
I'm not condoning either one, but I certainly see a difference around here in how the law deals with both.
Impared is impared, no matter what route you took to get there.

Rod

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rexhellwig

01-19-2009 10:09:04




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 Re: DUI? in reply to LAA, 01-19-2009 07:24:12  
I probably would have laughed at your opinion a few years ago. Now I think you may be right.

Seems the primary function of the "system" these days is to benefit the "system".



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dave2

01-19-2009 07:21:47




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 Re: DUI? in reply to super99, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Public trans is usually no more than 50 yds away from wherever you are here. man and wife were out drinking, decided the wife had less and should drive. Got stopped about 200yds from the police station. The car was left and both were taken to the station where the wife blew 1.8. Cops offered to give the guy a ride home. He said it was only a few hundred yards and he'd walk. 30 minutes later they stopped him after he picked up his car. He blew 2.0.

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Goose

01-19-2009 07:09:23




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Doesn't one of the Scandinavian countries apply capitol punishment for DUI?



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Kentb of SWMO

01-19-2009 06:56:10




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
I too have no use for Drunk Drivers. I have worked to many crashes as a Vol. Firefighter. Before Christmas the Wife and I were doing somethings outside. All of a sudden it sounded as if the center of Pleasant Hope fell off a cliff. I did not even go into the house to get my handheld radio. Went toward the noise. Before I got to the fire station I found a Chevy Suburban on it side with it's diesel engine STILL running. This was about 100 feet from the station. End of the story a young woman was drunk running no telling how fast. She had run off the road and hit a driveway which launch her truck in the air with it winding up laying on the drivers side. She got a free ride to the county seat. I hope it costs her big time.

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1936

01-19-2009 06:30:17




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Funny how a little jack and water makes you bullet proof.
Never been their, but know several who have been. In total 7 grand is a good number plus the monkey on her back for years to come if she gets the DUI. Lawyer up.

Really too bad



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s.crum

01-19-2009 06:25:47




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
My boss put it to us supervisors quite bluntly back in the early 80S when all the DWI/DUI laws started coming into effect. 'Just keep in mind guys, your worth nothing to me if your sitting in jail'. I took that statement verbatim. Any time I've been out usually with my wife, we decide whose going to be the designated drunk, the other drives. Worked for 30 years so far.



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Traditional Farmer

01-19-2009 06:14:03




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Lets see a couple quotes come to mind "If you're gonna be stupid you gotta be tough" and "If you can't do the time don't do the crime"



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Vito

01-19-2009 06:13:04




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Say good bye to @ least 5K.Between lawyer fees,fines etc.When will people learn.Get drunk call someone to drive you home!

Vito



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DH in Carolina

01-19-2009 06:00:27




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
She should lose license, be placed under house arrest (jails are too full.). Suppose she had run over someones 10 year kid on a bicycle? And get her insurance canceled. DH



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dhermesc

01-19-2009 05:19:25




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
The reason they didn't arrest her on the spot is if she was taken into custody the county (or city) is responcible for her medical bills while in their custody. Look for her to be "processed" when she's released from the hospital.

Insurance company will pay but she'll either be dropped or the rates will go up high enough that she'll pay them back several times over.

You can get a lawyer, but if they have her dead to rights all you do is pay them a bunch of money to do little more than shuffle paper.

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MN Joe

01-19-2009 05:05:02




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Why don't she call the Insurance Company and ask ????? ???



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Dieselrider

01-19-2009 04:45:51




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Anyone driving under the influence should lose their license for 5 or more years, 1st offence 2nd offence should be mandatory jail time and never allowed to drive again. JMHO



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WalJohn

01-19-2009 03:58:16




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 Re: DUI? in reply to TomTex, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  

WantACaseLASomeday said: (quoted from post at 21:22:21 01/18/09)
In my 21 years in a patrol car I made it a personal policy to transport 90% of the DUI violators home instead of to jail. Of course those, like your friend, who crashed the car couldn't be saved, but I saved several dozen!


You spent 21 years too long in a patrol car. You sure as hell were not doing your job to protect the public.

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John M

01-19-2009 03:46:44




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
I think drunk drivers should be thrown in jail! Ive lost three people very close to me due to drunk drivers! One was barely under the "legal" limit.



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VernMI

01-19-2009 03:43:20




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
She needs a lawyer and right now.

A friends son worked for a popular pet food company as a salesman. He was arrested for DUI and when the pet food company found out about the DUI he was let go. So he then had no job and no transportation. His wife drove him to interviews for a new job and then drove him to work everyday. He lost his insurance and had enormous lawyer fees to pay in addition to all the fines. After two years he got his liscense back and every driving infraction was a pull over and breathalizer test.

Even though you friend didn't harm anyone else she had the potential to do so.

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PJH

01-18-2009 23:14:23




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
I'm sorry for your friend's troubles. I hope it goes well for her and that she's learned something from the experience.

I've thought about this a lot. I'm totally opposed to drinking and driving. But I've noticed that the usually sober driver who drinks and drives occasionally can be less dangerous than the driver who has no common sense. The lack of common sense is a 24 hour/7 day a week problem, while the drunk is occasional. Now I know that drinking and driving is a poor display of common sense, but I think there should be some kind of test to determine if someone lacks the basic common sense required to safely operate a motor vehicle even while sobor.

Paul

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Jimmy job joe

01-18-2009 22:03:36




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Don't you mean that "we" will be paying for her stupidity?



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Trkr

01-18-2009 20:40:14




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Yes they'll pay.Happened to one of my sons long time ago.Have her get a good lawyer,my son's lawyer got him PBJ.He hasn't had a drop since.



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MarkB_MI

01-18-2009 20:37:57




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Insurance will pay, no doubt about it. They don't have any choice, the law requires it. They would love to be able to get out of paying any time you break the law, since it's rare that somebody doesn't get ticketed when they total their car.

Of course, when it's said and done, your wife's friend will probably pay for that car many times over in increased premiums.



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Traditional Farmer

01-19-2009 04:15:53




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 Re: DUI? in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-18-2009 20:37:57  
Actually if you are committing a felony while involved in an accident Insurance will not pay.Read your policy



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dhermesc

01-19-2009 05:10:44




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Traditional Farmer, 01-19-2009 04:15:53  
DUI is not a felony.



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Traditional Farmer

01-19-2009 06:08:37




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Didn't say it was,but then again if a DUI driver hits and kills someone than it ould turn into one real fast



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NE IA

01-18-2009 20:22:35




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
I get everyone being ticked off, I have seen my share as well of the not so smarts. And I'm all for punishment to the max.

But that being said our comunity thinks that a drunk always comes out of a tavern, often lower to middle class income. Yet on the other hand we often witness a outstanding persons in our higher social comunity that leave the golf course or country club who are listed as a social drinker with a little to much to drink.

We have to some how get threw to these people that they have issues, and maybe lead them down the right road instead of helping extend their problem.

Remember drugs make you stupid, adult beverages make you smart. Give me a twelve pack and I will tell you just how smart I am!

I was on a rough road as a youngster, but made a decision thirty five plus years ago that it wasn't the best road to travel. All it took for me was to have my six yerar old son ask me if I didn't have to have that beer, Why did I drink it? The rest of the can was dumped, and I lost alot of my issues in life.

I would like to have your friend punished just enough so it never becomes a problem again. And I hope she gets the proper help she needs.

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WantACaseLASomeday

01-18-2009 20:22:21




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 Re: DUI? in reply to noncompos, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Insurance will pay and they may, but also may not, cancel her. As someone else said, if shse has been a good long-time customer they may keep her on.
She should get a lawyer. There are thousands of layers who specialize in DUI and they can work wonders with the system. The system can be beat if the right lawyer is consulted right away. Even if she can't beat it she will undoubtedly get to keep her license for transport to/from work. She may, depending on the state, get to do 48 hours in jail and have very little consequence after that.

The people who want to run everyone else's lives would have you believe the sky is falling if you get a DUI, but the real truth, as evidenced by the thousands of cases adjudged every month, is that the first time can get expensive but not nearly as drastic as the do-gooders would like you to think.

In my 21 years in a patrol car I made it a personal policy to transport 90% of the DUI violators home instead of to jail. Of course those, like your friend, who crashed the car couldn't be saved, but I saved several dozen!

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TomTex

01-19-2009 15:11:26




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 Re: DUI? in reply to WantACaseLASomeday, 01-18-2009 20:22:21  
You were a disgrace to the police force. They should have found out and fired you. No telling how many people have been injured or killed by the bums that you "saved" from learning their lesson. Did you get "paid" for "saving" them, also? How can you sleep?
Tom



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BOBM25

01-19-2009 18:13:00




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 Re: DUI? in reply to TomTex, 01-19-2009 15:11:26  
Oh, so if they get the book thrown at them and pay fines and do jail time, then they will learn their lesson and never do it again? I know of several people with 3+ DUI's. Only thing they gained from the experience was knowledge on how to avoid being caught.



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Traditional Farmer

01-19-2009 06:12:22




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 Re: DUI? in reply to WantACaseLASomeday, 01-18-2009 20:22:21  
'Saved' them to do what? Go get drunk and drive again and maybe kill someone the next time?



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RockyMO

01-18-2009 19:43:40




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
The insurance should pay but your friend is in trouble. She needs a lawyer and even with one she is in for a rough ride. One that was brought on by her own short sighted adventure I might add.

Rocky in MO



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730virgil

01-18-2009 19:35:57




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
i don't know about the insurance end of it.
on Jan 1 in IL anyone convicted of dui has to get some kind of monitor put on key switch that driver blows into. if driver blows to high an alcohol level car won't start until level is low enough. reported costs is $ 100 to install $ 100 a month to keep on car. state police check monitor from time to time. if is found to have tried to drive drunk they will have more problems.

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kyhayman

01-18-2009 19:25:03




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Insurance laws vary a lot state to state but the basic principles are the same. Insurance will pay the claim, they may cancel her immediately but she was insured and they will pay, up to the limits of her policy.



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GeneMO

01-18-2009 19:16:13




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
The insurance will pay. If the car is mortgaged, they will pay off the loan. If she damaged property, they will pay for that. Her health insurance will pay for her medical care after deductible. Also the "med pay" on the vehicle will pay for any passengers and I think the driver also"

Now after the dust settles, they may cancel her if she has had a history of claims. If she had been good business, then they will probably switch her to a high risk policy, possibly with another company, a brokerage company. In Mo. you have to have an SR-22 to prove to the state that you have insurance. Then you have to jump through all the hoops with the driver license outfit.

Bottom line, she has caused herself a world of hurt. Just be thankful she hurt no one. then she could end up in prison.


Gene

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white knight

01-18-2009 19:09:15




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
If we knew Laura Bush's number, we could call and ask as she killed a young driver when she was driving drunk.



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David in Missouri

01-19-2009 09:42:53




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 Re: DUI? in reply to white knight, 01-18-2009 19:09:15  
I challange you to prove that. There's no proof she was drunk. She simply missed a stop sign out on a country road and killed a fellow classmate coming the other direction.



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DiyDave

01-19-2009 04:42:13




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 Re: DUI? in reply to white knight, 01-18-2009 19:09:15  
OR we could call Ted Kennedy, he's a pro at DUI, everybody knows it, and snopes will verify it, too!



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MN Joe

01-19-2009 05:11:53




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I remember that -- MaryJo Kepecky was killed in that car --- his secretary ..... and he got away with it all ,,,,



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RockyMO

01-18-2009 19:51:22




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 Re: DUI? in reply to white knight, 01-18-2009 19:09:15  
Sorry but while she did have a car accident that killed another person, she was not drinking. Here is a link to snopes that indicates so.

Link

Rocky in MO



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MN Joe

01-19-2009 05:15:56




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The Government has a way to hide the Facts //// don't kid yourself !!!!



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Phil in Pa

01-18-2009 19:30:20




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Do you have a source stating that she was under the influence? Left wing kook blogs are not a source, by the way.



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Bad Jake

01-18-2009 19:07:34




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Your wifes best friend can kiss everything good bye.



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old

01-18-2009 19:06:35




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Never seen a policy that had a clause that said in in not insured if drunk so yes they should pay but they will also probably drop her like a rock also which will cuase her problems getting insurance for a long time



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ericlb

01-18-2009 19:06:33




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
most likely if she is charged with dui the insurance will not cover the car or any other damage the car caused to ajacent property in the wreck this could get very expensive, like pop always said if you going to drink, do your drinkin here at home and dont leave



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Tom in TN

01-18-2009 18:59:53




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 18:55:55  
Brian,

I sure hope the insurance doesn't pay one penny. How irresponsible does a person have to be to drive an automobile after having drunk alcohol?

At least, that's my opinion.

Tom in TN



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RockyMO

01-18-2009 19:40:56




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Tom in TN, 01-18-2009 18:59:53  
I find your response interesting. I get the fact that you are against drinking and driving, no dispute with anything there as NO ONE SHOULD DRINK AND DRIVE! Now on the other hand why shouldn't the insurance company pay? This person paid them. Now what if I am the injured party that got hit by this person. If the insurance doesn't pay and this person loses everything due to their lack of thought before getting behind the wheel then the reality is that I, the innocent party get punished. Why? because my property or myself is injured and the insurance doesn't pay, the driver doesn't pay. Sorry but I feel that insurance should and does cover stupidity whether that is not turning your heat on and letting your house pipes freeze and flood your house or if you drove in an impaired condition. You don't have to agree but I feel that you should rethink your position for the injured parties concern.

Rocky in MO

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Brian Jasper co. Ia

01-18-2009 19:39:29




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Tom in TN, 01-18-2009 18:59:53  
Tom, I tend to agree with you. If it weren't for 2 small kids involved in the mess, not the wreck, I'd say live and learn. Car was paid for, 1 vehicle wreck, no other damage. She was an executive assistant in the past, but gave it up to be a married stay at home mom. Now divorced, she works nights waiting tables so the kids don't have to go to day care. The kids spend nights with dad. The other bad things are now no car, no license, gonna have to quit job since she was getting cash under the table. In Ia to get a work permit after a DUI, you have to prove employment.
Makes me glad I only drink on rare occasions and never enough to be impaired...

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Glen D Anderson

01-18-2009 19:54:14




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Brian Jasper co. Ia, 01-18-2009 19:39:29  
Brian,

That's a sad situation for sure that I wouldn't wish on anyone but the fact that she got into a wreck and totalled her car VS maybe getting pinched while going through a checkstop when she'd had two or three drinks doesn't speak much for her judgement..... ....

I guess all you and your wife can do is help her the best you can..... .....AND help her see her way to making better decisions in the future..... ..... ..

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B-maniac

01-18-2009 19:34:48




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 Re: DUI? in reply to Tom in TN, 01-18-2009 18:59:53  
The banks will make sure that there is coverage , because they won't get paid for a totalled out car otherwise. She might as well get a bicycle now though. She also might look into getting a BRAIN!!!



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TxAllisMan

01-18-2009 20:07:15




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 Re: DUI? in reply to B-maniac, 01-18-2009 19:34:48  
Now see im not the only guy in the world that this has happened to.

My ex BITC# WIFE and her FAST ASSE$ FRIEND left me at home with the kids thankfully to go shopping at walmart and 5 hours later I got a phone call to come pick her and fat as@ freind up as they were involved in a wreck with fat as@ driving my then wifes car which was coowned my myself. I told my ex ole lady to walk and hung up. Thwn called the police and told them where to pick them up at.

Insurance paid 0 and I didnt pay jack eaither because I told the judge I was not the fat asse@ bitc@ driving it and he hung her as@ for everything.

But my ole lady kept running with her and that ruined our marriage of six years.

I have 0 tolerance to people who drive impaired behind a wheel.

Look at your kids or neices and nephews and think what you would feel like if an impaired driver killed them Or if you killed one of them or someone elses kids.

I told that judge that he would have infact sent me to prison if my kids would have been in the car because there would have been two dead bitche@ on the roadside.

Im sorry if that offends anyone but I have worked in a hospital emergency department and its not good watching peoples lives ripped away from them over stupid childish or aldultish impaired driving.

Damon
N.E. Texas

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MN Joe

01-19-2009 05:21:44




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 Re: DUI? in reply to TxAllisMan, 01-18-2009 20:07:15  
My goodness your a bitter person --- don't you think you could have given her some help with some smart ideas -- like psychology treatments -- some times this works when they live like the devil



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