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OT: An education in US government

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gun guru

10-03-2008 13:47:54




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A guy I work with made some very ignorant comments about how US government works. He didnt know that the supreme court justices were appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate. He also didnt put enough thought into how money is spent at the federal level. Now this guy is a highly skilled employee and is actually very intelligent. A quick review.

Congress (house of reps, legislative branch) makes laws, taxes laws too and the Senate (judicial branch) votes on this and then on to the prez, and the prez can veto the legislation, or approve it. The prez picks the supreme court justices and the Senate votes them up or down, helps prevent a dictatorship. The president cannot spend one dime of taxpayer money unless congress approves of it first. The president can put US troops in harms way up until war is declared and/or a 90 war powers act happens. (this helps prevent another Vietnam) and the congress approved of the Iraq overthrow. Any thing in error here? Am I right?

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bendee

10-03-2008 19:02:24




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to gun guru, 10-03-2008 13:47:54  
Seeing the Country is running out of cash,it may be sensible to alter the system and go back to the British way, you then won"t have Senators or anyone else well healed traipsing the Country for 15 odd months trying to coerse the population into voting for them and if elected pay the piper or putting a pretty face forward for the non thinkers.
Who is sitting on the front porch keeping an eye on Russia at this time?.

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Walt davies

10-03-2008 18:55:11




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to gun guru, 10-03-2008 13:47:54  
Good thing we are not on "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader" Giggle

If I'm not mistaken all Funding Bills must originate in the House.
Walt



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twopop

10-03-2008 19:27:34




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to Walt davies, 10-03-2008 18:55:11  
all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the house of representatives,but the senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills

article 1 section 7



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Scott iin SF

10-03-2008 18:45:02




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to gun guru, 10-03-2008 13:47:54  
If a bad law is passed it the responsibility of us voters.



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twopop

10-03-2008 17:01:21




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to gun guru, 10-03-2008 13:47:54  
the correction about the senate has already been stated
the house of representatives is not congress,even tho most reps seem to think so

congress is both the senate and house when in session



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onefarmer

10-03-2008 18:14:20




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 Looks like we all get...An education in US government in reply to twopop, 10-03-2008 17:01:21  
"the house of representatives is not congress,even tho most reps seem to think so

congress is both the senate and house when in session"

Thanks for the correction. I should know that too.



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Jeff-oh

10-03-2008 15:35:16




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to gun guru, 10-03-2008 13:47:54  
Only correction, and I'm sure it is a typo...

President- Vice-president and all cabnents/departments are the excutive branch and in charge of exicuting the laws of the land.

Congress- House and Senate are the Legislative branch. (Senate is not judicial --- I'm sure that was a typo)

Courts (supream on down) are the Judicial Branch and are in charge of REVIEWING laws only after someone brings a claim to verify they meet constitutional muster. They are not to make new laws or mandates.

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Goose

10-03-2008 15:08:39




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to gun guru, 10-03-2008 13:47:54  
Also, contrary to what even some members of Congress think, Congress cannot amend the Constitution. It's a long process I'd need to refresh myself on to state it here.

Also, the reasoning behind House members serving two year terms, the President and VP serving four year terms, and the Senate serving six year terms is to stagger things enough so that no one faction can gain too much influence.

Someone said the other day Congress and the President and VP should all serve four year terms and be limited to two terms. It's not that simple. With amendments to the Constitution required, and ratification by 2/3 of the states, it would take 20 to 30 years to come about.

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thurlow

10-03-2008 14:51:22




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to gun guru, 10-03-2008 13:47:54  
WRONG!!!!! !! See onefarmer below..... ..



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higgens

10-03-2008 14:12:34




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to gun guru, 10-03-2008 13:47:54  
Ignorant now; stupid if he can't learn the basics. I went through about 30 questions over the Constitution with my 11th grade daughter a few weeks ago. I learned a few things including why one shouldn't have kids after they're 45....



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onefarmer

10-03-2008 14:12:10




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to gun guru, 10-03-2008 13:47:54  
I was always taught the Senate was part of the Legislative branch.

----- ----- ----- ----- -----

Executive Branch:
Prez and his cabinet
Vice Prez


Legislative Branch:
House of Reps(Congress)
Senate

Judicial Branch:
Supreme Court

----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -

The Senate, House, and/or the Prez can write up a proposed law(including spending). But it needs to be passed by both the House and Senate before it goes to the prez for his sig or veto.

If a bad law is passed, isn't really it the fault of all three?

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Fordfarmer

10-03-2008 14:51:12




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to onefarmer, 10-03-2008 14:12:10  
"If a bad law is passed.." Yes, unless the prez vetos it and his veto is overridden. And yes, the senate is part of the legislative branch.



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onefarmer

10-03-2008 14:58:07




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to Fordfarmer, 10-03-2008 14:51:12  
Yes and for a veto override they need a 2/3 vote. I did forget if it is the Senate or House that votes the override. I think it's the house.
This post was edited by onefarmer at 14:59:42 10/03/08.



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Fordfarmer

10-03-2008 15:08:34




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 Re: OT: An education in US government in reply to onefarmer, 10-03-2008 14:58:07  
I think the house and senate BOTH need 2/3 majority to override a veto.



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