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Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty

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farmer boy

06-30-2008 15:24:55




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The other day Dave posted a thread about the Supreme Court's ruling on guns and also on the death sentence on rape. I do agree with you that it should be treated as severly as murder BUT what if Steven Truscott had been hanged in 1959? What if 49 years later we discovered he wasn't guilty? The problem with the death penalty is that it's final and there's no reversing it. I also realize that Steven was more or less tried on the death of Lynn Harper and not the rape. I am also using him as an example and am not saying that you or others think he is guilty or should have been hanged.You hang someone that may not be guilty of the accused crime but instead innocent. You can't go back and compensate them for it. It has happened before and will happen again. If they ( the justice system ) would have any brains they would just make a lifetime sentence that would actually last a lifetime and not 25 years. A life sentence is somewhat reversible and if the accused is later found innocent he can be released and compensated. i understand that you know girls that have been raped and have seen first hand what disasterous affects it can have on a person I do ask you and others to reconsider this and change your opinion on this. I realize that you (DaveinMn) may feel somewhat singled out but you were the one that started the thread. Also, for those of you that have not heard of the story you should read it.

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twomen

07-01-2008 11:31:25




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to farmer boy, 06-30-2008 15:24:55  
I live in Dallas and Texas does have the death penalty and uses it often. I have read a few articles that were against it the reasoning being that death was too easy - the gist of the stories was that for crimes that warrent it the criminal should be sentenced to life with solitary confinement with no contact wtih the outside world (TV, radio, newpapers, books etc.) Just let them sit in a cell for the rest of their rotten life.

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ericlb

07-01-2008 03:54:38




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to farmer boy, 06-30-2008 15:24:55  
my feelings are that the death penalty is nessassery, the punishment for certain crimes must be bad enough so that a sane person wont commit them, ie murder, rape child molestation ect, but it must be reserved for positive proof cases, in other words, the crime was whitnesses by others, or dna evidince on the victim, leaves absolutly no doubt as to the guilt of the accused,life in prison only means that we as taxpayers have to foot the bill to feed and house these low lifes for the rest of their lives,

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MarkB_MI

07-01-2008 04:25:39




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to ericlb, 07-01-2008 03:54:38  
It has been demonstrated many times that eyewitness testimony is very unreliable. Much less reliable than so-called "circumstantial" evidence. Most of the death row inmates who've been released on DNA evidence were convicted based on eyewitness testimony. Often times the witness is not impartial, or simply mistaken about what they saw.



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rrcrossing

06-30-2008 21:18:04




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to farmer boy, 06-30-2008 15:24:55  
I worked in the Criminal Justice System for over twenty years and a large portion of that time was spent in jails. I've had everything from petty theft to high profile murderers. For the better part of one year my main duty was handling a group of murderers. They were rather easy to deal with as most had more on their minds than giving me a rash of crap.

The problem with our criminal justice system is we as a society haven't decided what to do with a person who commits a crime. What we hear is they have a debt to society, and that's simply skirting the issue. A person convicted in Arkansas for theft doesn't owe me, a member of society, anything. The only person he owes is the one he stole from. So the question is, why do we put people in jail or prison? Is it for punishment or to protect society. If its for punishment then its not nearly severe enough. If its to protect society then why let them out unless we're convinced they won't repeat.

I'm sort of ambivalent on the death issue. But, given that it does exist I strongly believe it should be applicable given certain conditions and circumstances to career criminals, child rapists, arsonists, and extreme assault such as throwing acid into a person face, et al.

But, it ain't gonna happen is it?

Bob

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MarkB_MI

06-30-2008 19:33:01




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to farmer boy, 06-30-2008 15:24:55  
I have a perspective to give on the death penalty. I was a juror on a capital murder trial over twenty years ago. We convicted the defendant, and also sentenced him to death. This happened in the southern state in which I resided at the time. (Michigan has no death penalty.) A few observations:

First, the jury consisted of a fairly broad cross-section of the public, including a few bible-thumpers. I was surprised at the alacrity with which these folks voted to execute one of their fellow men. As it turned out, a military officer and I were the only jurors to make any arguments in favor of a life sentence versus death.

In this particular case, the defendant was black and the jury was all white. At about the same time in the same state, another capital murder case was tried. The defendants were white and the jury was also white. The defendants were convicted but sentenced to life in prison. I can assure you that this second case was far more heinous than the case I was on. This convinced me that the death penalty is not applied equally in all cases.

I doubt that I will ever sit in judgement of another man's life again. But if I do, I seriously doubt that I could pass a sentence of death again. Surely there are people walking this earth who deserve to die. But we now know, because of DNA testing, that many men have been unjustly sentenced to death.

Postscript on the case I sat on: The defendant was given a second trial. He was convicted a second time and sentenced to life in prison. I believe he is in prison to this day.

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B-maniac

06-30-2008 18:18:04




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to farmer boy, 06-30-2008 15:24:55  
That's like saying we will never go to war for any reason unless we can guarantee that only the enemy will be killed and NO Americans will die.Better to sacrifice one criminal that MIGHT be innocent than to sacrifice all the innocent children and women for one criminal.



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Dave from MN

06-30-2008 17:04:31




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to farmer boy, 06-30-2008 15:24:55  
I stand by my conviction, and understand the "what if they were wrong" conviction. What I am for is the people that are caught, red handed, dna all confirms, witnesses saw, guy/girl confesses, and all that, beyond a shadow of a doubht stuff. That being said I also beleive the people making sick videos and pictures with children, should also be sent to their creator. This nation is becoming to conditioned to violence involving rape and such. There is more uproar about a guy that kills a cat than about a guy that rapes a 6 year old. Some crimes NEED to have stiffer sentences. If I get caught steeling some thing with my right hand, and punishment would be to have it amputated, you bet you hind end I will never steel anything EVER again, most people that know about it would not steel anything as well. What do you think it will be like when all these people becomeing immune to the interent violence and dirty flicks and lack of respect for humanity, others and God, find them selves not able to find a job, bored, angry, and knowing that no matter what they do , they"ll just get a jail sentence, MAYBE.

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tlak

06-30-2008 16:45:14




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to farmer boy, 06-30-2008 15:24:55  
I don't think people always get the death penalty for the crime they did, they get it for the crimes they didn't get caught for.



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badpenny

06-30-2008 16:23:59




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to farmer boy, 06-30-2008 15:24:55  
One thing about the death penalty, there are no repeat offendors



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omahagreg

06-30-2008 16:01:52




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to farmer boy, 06-30-2008 15:24:55  
I do understand the concern with the death penalty and new evidence finding someone not guilty, maybe too late. BUT, think of the deterant it would be to the would be criminal, if he knew the death penalty was a REAL possibility? Greg



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farmer boy

06-30-2008 16:24:47




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to omahagreg, 06-30-2008 16:01:52  
Since were talking about rape here I don't think that would work simply because of what it is. A person has to be out of his mind to commit the crime in the first place so death probably wouldn't mean much to a wacko. If your talking about a planned murder then maybe because the person isn't necessarily out of his mind and can stop at any time. The death penalty has it's place in the criminal justice system and it's not for a trail that a jury decides on or for a trail without concrete evidence and a confession.(both)

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ldj

06-30-2008 18:46:40




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to farmer boy, 06-30-2008 16:24:47  
Don't remember his name right now. Back in the 60's in TX a guy was convicted and given the death sentence. Before execution was carried out it was ruled unconstitutional and his sentence was then changed to life. Then in 90's he was paroled. He killed several people starting months after his release.
Try to explain justification to all those girls families why he wasn't executed years ago. You can't.

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farmer boy

06-30-2008 20:26:27




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 Re: Way O.T DaveinMn and others Death Penalty in reply to ldj, 06-30-2008 18:46:40  
I see your point so I'm not going to argue but I did point out that I was in favour of a life sentence . I should add that there should be no chance of patrol.



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