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Burning used motor oil as diesel???

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JCSinGA

05-21-2008 19:29:23




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Everybody wants the used cooking oil to burn as diesel whats wrong with any filtered used oil? I have 3 diesel vehicles all are older with mechanical injection pumps. Also I have a couple hundred gallons of used oil (motor, hydraulic or otherwise) that I have collected, usually have a guy come pick it up but mabye I could use it instead.

I know that nothing except used oil of some sort has gone into the tank, I plan to setup a good filter system and even then only a 50/50 mix with regular diesel. How would this work or even would it? Am I missing anything? I bought an '85 300D Mercedes for my guinea pig.

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MSD

05-22-2008 20:39:18




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
My son has been running hydraulic oil in his 96 Dodge Cummins for the past year and a half. He got pretty aggressive with it last week. Straight oil. It started ok but missed on a couple of cylinders for a minute till it warmed up and then it smoothed out and ran just fine. Usually he runs probably 5 gallons of diesel to a tank of oil, more in the winter. At $4.50 a gallon for fuel, he says if he needs to replace the pump, he has more than paid for a new one with what he has saved. The truck has 350,000 miles on it and never been open.

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gun guru

05-22-2008 08:42:13




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
I agree that used motor oil has a lot of uses, like bar/chain oil for saw, starting bonpit fires, filter it and use it for cutting oil. Why give it away for free.



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ohfred

05-22-2008 08:22:43




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
Was it on this board or another that a fellow made a tank filled with rolls of toilet paper and he poured his used oil in at the top and had a valve at the bottom to drain it out....and he said it looked like new oil when it came out. Looks like that method would make you feel better when you dumped it into the fuel tank. And tp is pretty cheap. How bout it...anybody been here? Also, there was a fellow who had a way of telling when his oil needed changed by letting it drip off of the dipstick onto a paper towel...and the size of the spot it made was maybe compared with a new oil spot was the determining factor. I think he was the same person who bought all the different oil filters and sawed them in two and reported on the contents in square feet of filtering and etc. He seemed to have all his moves together on this subject. ohfred

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RN

05-22-2008 08:05:39




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
Know a guy in Madison using mostly used oil in his Diesel towing pickup- main tank gets filtered used oil and secondary tank used for start and warmup gets about a 50/50 blend- varies. Won't meet new pollution standards but runs good and pulls better on oil, smokes a bit at time. The new ulsd standards don't like used oil mixes- if you have a pollution lane to go through for vehicle inspection better drain old oil and run a tank of the Ultr Low Sulfer mix through engine before test lane- East coast area and California getting picky.

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jdemaris

05-22-2008 05:20:27




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 Done it for years. in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
I've been burning my waste engine oil for years. All my waste oil either goes into my diesel tank - or into my chain-saws for bar oil. I doubt I've ever had more than a 10% mix, but I don't keep close track. It used to be standard procedure at big truck stops to put all waste oil into the diesel fuel. In fact, if you read some of the owner's manuals from the late 1970s - for GM diesel pickup trucks - they warn NOT to buy diesel from truck stops because of the waste engine oil added to it.

In regard to having trouble with particles not filtered out? Someone will have to explain the myth to me. I dump waste engine oil in my 500 gallon diesel tank. This oil has already been filtered by the engine oil filter where it came from. Then, when I pump it out of my bulk tank, it goes through another filter (microns of my choosing). Then, when it goes in my truck - it gets sucked through a fine screen in the fuel tank, and then goes through two more diesel filters. I've never had a pump problem, nor have I had any problems with plugging filters.

Keep in mind that one gallon of waste engine oil thrown into a 500 diesel tank is all it takes to make all the fuel turn a dark color. If your tank gets dipped and checked - I suppose it will lead to some questions. But, it IS legal.

The reason why big rigs used it - but GM warned against it - is this. Big trucks just about always have heavy-duty in-line injection pumps. Light duty rigs - e.g. pickup trucks and cars just about always have light-duty rotary pumps. The only exceptions that come to mind are a few Mercedes diesels in cars, and certain years of Cummins diesels in pickup trucks. E.g., a 1992 Dodge Cummins has a rotary pump, but a 1993 has the HD inline pump.

That all said, I run diesel mixed with waste oil in my 81 Chevy Chevette, 91 Volks Jettas, and 85 Isuzu 4WD pickup - all have Bosch rotaries and all have been fine.

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Jim in N M

05-22-2008 08:25:46




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 Re: Done it for years. in reply to jdemaris, 05-22-2008 05:20:27  
The question I have is if you pour engine oil into the diesel fuel tank ,how do you know it mix's with the diesel and just doesn't go to the bottom. Jim in N M



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jdemaris

05-22-2008 08:55:45




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 Re: Done it for years. in reply to Jim in N M, 05-22-2008 08:25:46  
My bulk tank has a spigot on the bottom I sometimes use to fill buckets and/or 5 gallon jugs. I've never had any pure motor oil come out of it - that much I know for sure. So, if pure oil doesn't come out the bottom, and doesn't come out the pump (which also draws from near the bottom) - and I can see it's not floating on top - I assume it's mixing. Not something I worry about - been doing it since the late 70s/early 80s.

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3cyl

05-22-2008 04:52:05




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
JC,

I've been doing it for a couple years now in three older diesels. I put my used oil in a sedement tank and draw it off when I fill my 100 gal bulk tank. I fill the bulk tank with diesel and filter it before putting it in the vehicle tank. What I have noticed is that my vehicle filters clog too quickly if I run over 4% used oil. If I keep the mixture at 2%, I can get the filters to last a year which is when I change them anyway. If I have to change filters more often then that, I don't feel that I'm saving any money by running more used oil because the cost of the filter digs into the savings. Robert

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John M

05-22-2008 03:18:48




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
Well, my negihbor who use to farm with older equipment ran lke a 20% mix of old oil and diesel in all of his equipment for may years.Only probelm is that you cant filter it down enough to prevent all damage caused by metal particles too small to be filter, and the nasty gases and pollutants that make changing oil nessecary to start with. I dont ever recall though, if ole jack ever had any breakdowns caused by using.

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richardinnz

05-22-2008 00:40:11




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
I had a Volkswagon diesel that had a breather fault, it would fill the air cleaner casing with it's engine oil untill it reached a critical level when the engine would draw it in. Rest assured that car would fly when it got a hold of that, could not see much behind in the mirrors because of the smoke, but boy did that car move!



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RAB

05-21-2008 23:07:04




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
Remove all solids down to ? microns (sub-micron preferably) add some thinner (diesel?) and go. Or heat the mixture adequately to get the viscosity right at the injectors.

The old single and twin cylinder Lister diesels (CS) and similar clones, along with other engine types, are used for this regularly for gen sets.

Indirect injection seems the easiest way to go as direct seems to lead to serious engine damage in some cases when things go wrong (IDI is less likely to get unburned fuel between the piston and cylinder).

Go look at listerenginedotcom for lots more info.

Also using lard for a fuel (see Frotter in the Navitron renewable energy forum).

Regards, RAB

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Greg_Ky

05-21-2008 21:07:46




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
Just quit changing your oil and you won"t have all that used oil around.



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RobMD

05-21-2008 21:03:28




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
Lets see... getting an injection pump to pump a viscosity twice as much as regular diesel through the tiny injector ports is, well, not exactly good.



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Tim in OR

05-21-2008 20:46:59




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
15-20 years ago, I worked in a truck shop that had a "blender" that sucked the oil out of the pan and filtered it and blended it with the fuel in the fuel tank. That would have been about 10 gallons of used oil in a 100 gallon tank of fuel. It only blended into one tank, but worked ok on the old Cummins engines.
Tim in OR



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davediehl@hotmail.com

05-21-2008 20:19:54




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
One would think it should work fine with the exception of the oil smell. You should also consider the possibility of a hydraulic lock on the cylinders if it doesn't all burn off. The additional carbon and fluid could be extremely hard on pistons. Oil will easily give a higher compression due to the thickness. Not a great idea, but it may work with additional stress going on your internal parts.



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Bryan in iowa

05-21-2008 20:12:15




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
Dad worked on fleet of cement trucks, Macks I think ? They had a metered orifice that let engine oil into fuel tank they had some kinda resevoir for fresh oil . Or they would filter used oil from changes into their main underground diesel tank .



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in-too-deep

05-21-2008 20:08:19




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
Never done anything like this, but I might start with 10% oil and keep going up till you mess something up, then back off a bit ; ) I wonder if that oil in there might get really thick in the winter time. Justa coupla thoughts...good luck!



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Glenn F.

05-21-2008 20:02:25




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 Re: Burning used motor oil as diesel??? in reply to JCSinGA, 05-21-2008 19:29:23  
I have no first hand experience, but 50/50 sounds like a pretty aggressive experiment.

Glenn F.



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