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Can someone tell me if this will (or why won't) work?

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dave2

05-12-2008 03:20:44




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Hey folks,

I've got two drainage questions.

1) I've got a lot that is about 300ft long and 50ft wide that stays real wet through the winter and spring from water that comes from the property above. I was thinking to dig a ditch along the border and put in gravel and the flex drain pipe w/ gravel over top and fill the last little bit w/ dirt (or fill the gravel to the top and let nature put the dirt back). Each end of the lot is passed by an access road that has a good slope and the drainage ditch is close by. Was also thinking of a couple of T's to cut across (directly to the ditch) in the wettest area. I used it this past winter (for 3 horses) without the drainage and have to drag it in order to smooth it out and replant some of it. Just bought it last summer (after the wet spring) and didn't know it was so bad.

2) this one is a wet basement under the barn. Ground and rain water comes in and keeps a pool in the floor that makes it too humid to store anything. I think I have the rain water issue fixed, just the ground water is an issue for the dampness. There is a drain that runs out to the road that is serviceable, but it's in the wall at floor level (???). The place is about 200 sq ft and stays a constant 50 degrees, so it's a shame not to use it. Anyway, I had two brainstorms. One is to dig out the low spot where the water collects enough to set in a 5 gallon bucket where I'd put in a sump pump with the hose leading to the drain. Cover the area w/ plastic, make an access frame/door to the pump, and level the floor with gravel (w/ maybe cobble stones on top.

The other is just put in a load of crushed limestone and pack/smooth it real good and let it go.
I thought I was good w/ just ventilation because I had a hydrometer that told me the humidity was 60-65%. I put a bag of potatoes and some carrots and onions, only to have mold and sprouts 3 weeks later.

Have I got the right idea for both situations?

Thanks, Dave

PS. Sure hope I spelled everything right. ;)

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dave2

05-13-2008 00:09:08




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 Re: Can someone tell me if this will (or why won't) work? in reply to dave2, 05-12-2008 03:20:44  
The draining (legality) isn't an issue as it's farm, orchard, and wood land in the area. The road ditch is on a gravel raod that is for farmer access mainly. I helped out quite a bit by just digging a little at each end so water could get out. I'm trying to talk the people that have the 2 pieces above mine to sell to me (another 100 ft of width). I've got it fenced now so they don't have to mow it, but can't really do anything to it as far as improvements. As far as the basement goes, I was in there yesterday and there was no water standing (haven't been in there in a while). May have handled the big problem by rerouting the gutters on the barn.

Dave

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Walt davies

05-12-2008 11:01:05




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 Re: Can someone tell me if this will (or why won't) work? in reply to dave2, 05-12-2008 03:20:44  
Wait till summer and sell it to another sucker I have a spot behind my barn that is always wet I have put 5 truck loads of rock and gravel in it and need to do it again this summer. Some one in China is sure getting cheap gravel. I put in a drain and it doesn't help one bit.

Walt



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paul

05-12-2008 08:49:36




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 Re: Can someone tell me if this will (or why won't) work? in reply to dave2, 05-12-2008 03:20:44  
In my state they would about throw you in jail if you start drainage without getting a bunch of permits. See your county office first. If you don't, the fines & requirement to restore the land back to the way it was gets very expensive. No kidding. All us farmers need to follow this.

As well, running tile into a road ditch is also not allowed in many places.

Beyond that, you have a good plan on draining the field out. Tile typically go 3 feet deep, and have to drain somewhere downhill. You wouldn't need the gravel, tho a little can sure help in tight clay soils. Don't pay for the fancy stuff in the picture, black 4 or 5 inch slitted plastic tile.....

The wet floor, you didn't tell us what it was - dirt floor? Or? Not sure how to handle that, gets very specific tot he exact problem - prob have to see it to have a good idea. I'd think a couple inches of limestone wouldn't do much, water will wick up if there is a water problem.

--->Paul

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Walt davies

05-12-2008 11:08:45




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 Re: Can someone tell me if this will (or why won't) work? in reply to paul, 05-12-2008 08:49:36  
Really have a geologist look it over you just may have something that can't be done without tons of money.
Walt



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El Toro

05-12-2008 07:13:23




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 Re: Can someone tell me if this will (or why won't) work? in reply to dave2, 05-12-2008 03:20:44  
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You need to install a drainage system like in this picture. I have the square drainage boxes shown in the lower left side. It drains to the street and down the hill. The man used a Ditch Witch and a transit to get enough fall. Hal
PS: Call 1-800-726-1994 to find a distributor.
This was installed 15 years ago.

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randallinMo

05-12-2008 08:19:01




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 Re: Can someone tell me if this will (or why won't) work? in reply to El Toro, 05-12-2008 07:13:23  
El Toro, your system looks very effective, but one word comes to mind, "overkill". I think his plan for the 300x50 lot will work. He might not need both the gravel and pipe as both will serve as an effective means to transport the water away from the affected area.
His basement problem could probably be solved with installing drainage tile along the perimeter of the bottom of the foundation (on all four sides) and routing it to a lower elevation. The sump pump will be a least cost start to see if it does a good enough job.

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El Toro

05-12-2008 10:10:25




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 Re: Can someone tell me if this will (or why won't) work? in reply to randallinMo, 05-12-2008 08:19:01  
That picture is from their catalog. I have 4 of those catch basins and they're just below the surface of the lawn. I mow over them and I have my downspouts plumb into them too and it all drains into the street and down to the storm drains. We had 22 inches of rain in June 2006 and they worked fine. Hal



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