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Walter Squires

05-05-2008 12:57:59




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My Border Collie wont stay out of the flower bed so I need to put up an electric fence, this bed is on the patio and where I want to put the charger there's no good place to drive a ground rod, can I use the ground on the 110 volt house circuit? Walter




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higgins

05-06-2008 13:20:19




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 Re: O/T Electric Fence Ground in reply to Walter Squires, 05-05-2008 12:57:59  
Or lay a stretch of chicken wire or even a couple strands of wire down along the flower bed and ground directly to that. Don't have to ground to the ground just complete a circuit.



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dave2

05-06-2008 04:54:36




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 Re: O/T Electric Fence Ground in reply to Walter Squires, 05-05-2008 12:57:59  
I ran a wire around the back yard because our old Rottweiller would stick his nose in the chainlink fence and just start pushing until he had the hole stretched enough to go through. Anyway, he got hit once when I was close by and wouldn't come near me for a week. Another time he got hit and wouldn't even go in the back yard for almost 3 weeks. I didn't realize that he never saw the wire and didn't know why he was getting shocked. May think about making the wire visible so your BC will know where the limit is and what to respect.

Dave

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Bendee

05-06-2008 02:47:19




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 Re: O/T Electric Fence Ground in reply to Walter Squires, 05-05-2008 12:57:59  
My ground wire is 100 feet from the charger, only have to use a longer wire to an appropriate spot once the dog gets a hit will be no need to have it on,just leave the wire there.



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Hal (WA)

05-05-2008 21:17:02




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 Re: O/T Electric Fence Ground in reply to Walter Squires, 05-05-2008 12:57:59  
If you have metal underground water pipes, you won't find a better ground than they are. Is there a hose bib nearby? If there is, I would just run a wire over to the faucet and use that for the ground.

Border collies are usually very smart and easy to train. I doubt that the dog will have to be shocked more than a couple of times to avoid that area permanently.

Another idea would be to get one of those invisible fence setups that use a shock/noise collar and a wire that you bury. If the dog gets too close to the buried wire, the collar sounds off and then if they don't back off, it shocks the dog. Good luck!

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Drill

05-05-2008 15:34:01




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 Re: O/T Electric Fence Ground in reply to Walter Squires, 05-05-2008 12:57:59  
If the flower bed is on a wooden deck then the electric fence will not work, you need bare ground to complete the circuit. You can use a two wire system, but then you don't need a ground rod, just hook each of the leads to the two wires.



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buickanddeere

05-05-2008 13:36:28




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 Re: O/T Electric Fence Ground in reply to Walter Squires, 05-05-2008 12:57:59  
Noise for one thing besides the previously stated. The ground rod has to be driven deep into moist soil.



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dave2

05-05-2008 13:23:35




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 Re: O/T Electric Fence Ground in reply to Walter Squires, 05-05-2008 12:57:59  
Probably better off running a second wire for the ground. Especially if Fido will be standing on dry ground or wood/concrete away from the ground. If you hven't already got a charger, you may consider a solar or battery operated one.

Good Luck,

Dave



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Ken Crisman

05-05-2008 13:09:12




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 Re: O/T Electric Fence Ground in reply to Walter Squires, 05-05-2008 12:57:59  
Absolutely not . If you'd have an electrical short in the house wiring , it may go thru the fencer & kill someone if they'd touch the wire . Drive a seperate grd rod somewhere close to the charger if possible . Also , please plug the fencer into a ground fault protection receptacle . My advise is from an experience locally that happened . The public loves to sue . Always remember that & think safety . HTH ! God bless, Ken

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36 coupe

05-05-2008 17:17:19




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 Re: O/T Electric Fence Ground in reply to Ken Crisman, 05-05-2008 13:09:12  
Electric fence chargers and ground faults dont work .No ac fence chargers should be used out doors.Been fixing and using electric fence chargers since early 50s.I do warranty work for a fence charger co.Do not connect to power co ground rod.Charger needs its own ground rod.8 foot copper clad.New ac units need 3 rods to avoid fuse blowing.No buggy axles, rusty rebar or other assorted junk that people use.

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Walter Squires

05-05-2008 13:12:18




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 Re: O/T Electric Fence Ground in reply to Ken Crisman, 05-05-2008 13:09:12  
I figured that! I'll drive a groung rod somewhere.



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