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tlak

05-02-2008 04:33:56




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A senator held up an ear of corn and said people don't eat Ethanol corn. I only know of two types of corn, sweet and feed. I eat sweet and feed corn feeds everything else I eat. Is there a third type of corn?




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dhermesc

05-02-2008 14:18:43




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
Never seen beef cattle or slaughter hog prices go up because the cost of grain went up. Matter of fact I remember a few years ago when hog prices were about a quarter the cost of production.



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JTinNJ

05-02-2008 12:50:02




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
I'm tired of hearing how the world is starving because we are makeing ethanol out of corn.If we stoped exporting corn,maybe,but,not untill the exportation of corn stops will the world starve.



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paul

05-02-2008 07:51:36




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
On other forums with less ag background, more people than not do not have a clue what type of 'corn' is used for ethanol. They can only think of sweet corn, & figure the ethanol plants are destroying their summer grilling parties.

The level of uninformed in this country is just amazing.

Field corn, #2 yellow field corn, is by far the biggest crop in the USA, and 1/3 gets exported to other countries. Most ends up as livestock feed - here or there. Some small tiny % is made into corn syrup (mostly pop sweetener) or cornbread or the like. But very, very little.

There is pop corn, sweet corn, and white corn - this is used to make the white taco/ tortiella shells. This is very few acres compared to field corn, yellow #2 grade. These 3 would be considered the food grade corns.

No one in the rest of the world wanted to buy our high-priced corn when it was $2 a bu, so farmers started figuring out something else to do with it - fuel. Now that the world ecconomies have flipped around, the rest of the world wants to buy our cheap $5.50 corn.

We will be in a _world_ of hurt if/when congress 'does something' about the high cost of grains and kills off corn demand, lowers it's price by 1/3..... Will break farmers who had to pay double the normal price of fert, fuel, herbicide planning for good prices. Will drive world demand for our really, really cheap $3 corn & we will sell out what we have to other countries. Next year USA farmers won't grow much corn - costs more to plant than you get from it, and we will end up importing corn in 2010 at world prices - copmared to our deflated worthless dollars.

I wish the American public realized what it is they are asking for!!!!!

The world wants more corn & has the money to buy it, demand must be met naturally with a bump up in proces or worse evils will happen with artifical controls.

Ethanol 'uses' about 1/4 of our corn, but 1/3 of that is returned as livestock feed, so it consumes only 17% of our corn production. We have increased corn production by about that much over the past 3 years. The driving force of higher grain prices is world demand & our cheaper dollar value.

--->Paul

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fixerupper

05-02-2008 10:18:31




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 Re: Corn in reply to paul, 05-02-2008 07:51:36  
For every bushel of corn that goes to ethanol, six bushels goes to China to produce meat. Jim



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paul

05-02-2008 14:17:47




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 Re: Corn in reply to RMinVA, 05-02-2008 08:58:56  
Here in Minnesota farmers got together, bought shares in new coops, and built ethanol plants from the ground up. With their own, farmer, money. The govt did help with technology, research, etc. Minnesota has had E10 gas for decades.

So, I disagree. Of the 18 ethanol plants in MN, I believe 12 or more are farmer-owned coops. Most were set up with the farmer delivering so many bu of corn per share purchased, and you could even get so many bu of feed DDG back from the coop for your livestock. The share money collected built the building & machinery to make ethanol.

Farmers did it themselves. Here. Early on. No one else wanted to stick their neck out & invest in it. Farmers did. Any industry has a little govt help - infrastructure, research, etc.

My perspective on it.

--->Paul

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billonthefarm

05-02-2008 08:04:43




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 Re: Corn in reply to paul, 05-02-2008 07:51:36  
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This pallet of corn will plant 80 acres. It cost $6241.32 and it was paid for last september in order to get that good of a price. The worst thing is that is not the most expensive corn I will plant this spring. Last fall NH3 was $450 a ton and currently it over $750 a ton. If you think food is high priced because of ethanol I disagree. Corn is high because of world wide demand and it has caused inflation in all of our iputs and only the middle men profit. Conusmers and producers both loose. bill

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rodgernbama

05-02-2008 15:07:01




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 Re: Corn in reply to billonthefarm, 05-02-2008 08:04:43  
I don't uunderstand how this worldwide demand seemingly happened overnight. Did we have a bunch more people arrive on the planet?



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David in Missouri

05-02-2008 09:23:55




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 Re: Corn in reply to billonthefarm, 05-02-2008 08:04:43  
That's 173 bucks a bag, right? Roughly 60 bucks and acre?



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billonthefarm

05-02-2008 21:02:55




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 Re: Corn in reply to David in Missouri, 05-02-2008 09:23:55  
$173.37 per bag and at a population of 34,300 per acre that will run you $74.40 per acre. bill



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Dbarham

05-02-2008 06:12:51




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  

You may not eat yellow corn but the beef, pork, and chicken you eat do.



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thurlow

05-02-2008 05:42:19




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
Us pore folks down South have always eaten feed/mule corn; either as roasting ears or ..... ..back when folks ground their own, as corn meal.



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greygoat

05-02-2008 05:34:28




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
What about CORNMEAL? Lots of people in this
world survive on it!



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buickanddeere

05-02-2008 05:31:19




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 Re: Corn and ethanol left overs??? in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
Ordinary yellow corn is used in corn starch, corn syrup, breakfast cereals/food additives, booze, pet food, etc. What is being done with the leftover brewers mash from the ethanol plants in your areas?



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billonthefarm

05-02-2008 04:57:31




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
He is right. Most people dont eat yellow corn which is the primary crop in the corn belt. bill



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Pops3

05-02-2008 04:50:45




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
Popcorn.



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mjbrown

05-02-2008 04:50:04




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
Pop corn!



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Bill in IL

05-02-2008 04:45:59




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
There is white corn that is used for food production. Yellow corn is used for ethanol and feed. I can't say for sure that yellow corn is not used for food but white corn is the majority.

So I hate to admit it there may have been a tiny little bit of truth in that politians speech.



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IaGary

05-02-2008 04:39:42




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 Re: Corn in reply to tlak, 05-02-2008 04:33:56  
Not really, but they are breeding the feed type corn to produce a higher rate of ethanol per bushel.

Gary



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