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Bush hogging rough land..

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Raleigh

04-21-2008 07:55:08




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HAs anyone done any bush hogging on rough land? What I mean is land that has a bunch of 3 to 5 inch diameter sapling trees every where...What was you experiance like doing this? I have had 2 flat tires along with other small minor issues...just scared of something terrible happening to the PTO...




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Raleigh

04-22-2008 06:32:56




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
Wel I am convinced I will be useing the HECK out of my Chain saw before I start my tractor again!!!!



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KEH

04-21-2008 17:15:14




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  

You have probably seen my post above on pto damage.

If your pocketbook can stand it you can get a Brown tree cutter. It will take considerable tractor to pick it up. Basically it's a very heavy rotary mower with a sliding rear deck that exposes the blade as you back into the tree. I don't know how big a tree they will cut, but its more than 5 inches.

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the tractor vet

04-21-2008 14:14:06




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
Well i have brush hoged real rough ground like 4 gas lines at 94 miles each over terrain that a mountain goat would go around and dirt bike could not climb . As for damages to equipment just where do you want to start at . We did this with a 430 case wheel tractor that we rented and our 310G case dozer that had 3pt hitch and PTO and two brand new heavy duty brush hogs . One the wheel tractor we started the job with 600 lbs on the nose after the first round we shut down for the day and back to the case dealer for more ft weight and stacked on 700 more lbs . Can not remember how many tires that we distroyed blew the PTO out four times on it and 6 gear boxes on the hog and a bunch of broken blades and several slip clutches . Knocked the ft end out once on a huge hole above the line ripped a fender off once rolled it over twice . On the Dozer two PTO's four gear boxes and two snapped off stump jumpers and a bunch of blades and several slip clutches . We had to add 2000 lbs to the ft of the dozer to keep the ft. end on the ground on the hills as it did the really steep ones . Now the rule was if the dozer could run over push over ya mowed it and we found out real fast that the hogs were not ment to mow anything over about 3-4 inches . We bid the job at 150 a mile and found out real fast that that was way to cheap . IF you have 5 inch trees get someone with a dozer or track hoe to pluck them out . Oh yea when we were done with that job the hogs were scrap metal and the $30 was well field tested and the under carriage was scrap . Would i ever do that again one word NO.

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Alex.C

04-21-2008 13:54:02




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
When I worked for a guy, Ron Conley, he does custom shredding, we would just mow over the saplings, but the trees we mowed over were soft wood trash trees. Thats what it comes down to, is if the saplings are a type of soft wood or hard wood and the hight. If the saplings are soft wood and a certain height you can mow'em over. If there a hard wood get a chain saw and start cutting, event a 140+ Hp (thats what we used) tractor can't mow over a hard wood. If your tractor is over 70+ hp and you've got a 15'or 20'commercial grade Bush Hog and the are soft wood trash trees, you can do it. I would just to be safe I would cut down the 5"ers.

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Raleigh

04-21-2008 12:48:17




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
Yeah it seems like I just need to start useing my chainsaw more...just cut the tree down then cut it up with the chain saw into 4 foot logs..



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James Howell

04-21-2008 11:32:14




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
Do not mow 3" - 5" sapplings with a rotary cutter.

You will eventually tear up either your tractor or your mower.

Chain saws and chains are cheap compared to repairs on tractors and rotary cutters.

Use your tractor and mow up to the base of the sappling.

Cut the sappling flush at the ground with a chain saw.

Spray with Remedy if it sprouts from the stump.

Termites and/or fire ants will eventually destroy the stump.

Use loppers to cut the small "tractor flats" flush at the ground.

This will help reduce the number of tractor flats from driving in areas that have been cleared.

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Mike M

04-21-2008 11:21:42




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
A CRAWLER LOADER OR DOZER ! They make a root rake for the front that should lift them right out.



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raleigh

04-21-2008 10:26:14




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
I was wondering I have been cutting trees this size with a Bushhog Model 307 and a John deere 4020!!!

Yeah I now understand EXACTLY what your saying when you say NEVER DRIVE OVER what you have just cut!!! I have busted two tires and can't figure why...Now I know...

As far as the slip clutch goes I have burnt up one already...I need to get another before I go back out.....



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Walt davies

04-21-2008 10:00:13




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
3 to 5 in. sapling is a little over kill for any brush hog Most of the large heavy duty ones say up to 3 in. 5 in. is just to big for your machine, cut these down with a saw close to the ground or pull them out by the roots.
Walt



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Billy NY

04-21-2008 09:10:40




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
The one word answer below sums it up unless you want to spend a lot of money on heavy duty equipment.

Depends on what you are using, for instance Servis-Rhino and others manufacture rotary cutters for higher HP tractors that are supposed to be able to deal with small diameter trees, no idea on how those perform, but have seen the literature showing those ratings

We have overgrown fields with various similar and larger size trees in them now, just from clearing the edges to keep access, with a 45 hp tractor and regular 6 foot rotary cutter, it's nasty business, not even attempt a tree in those diameters and most saplings I knock over with the loader, raise the mower as high as it goes, to avoid the trunk, and ease into the bent over tree, it still sounds like you're hitting a landmine, when that tree springs up in to the blades, pieces can fly out, plus the shock loads to your equipment, not worth doing, better to clear with a chainsaw I think, just cut em low, flush to the ground, then stockpile, won't take that long for stumps that size to rot, unless they're like locust or something. I clear around the stump with an intrenching tool to get as low as possible and not hit dirt with the saw chain.

It gets ugly whenever I get into that stuff, things spring up, poke at you, trees that bend over, ride up between the wheels, wheels ride up onto bent trees, safety hazards are more than abundant and quick to get you. Some trees bend over, still attached and will hav spear like ends on them, don't ever run back through a fresh cut area, kind of have to stay in one direction or it gets real dangerous.

Here is what Asplundh uses to clear power line easements, it makes short work of trees those size, they still have to ease into them, but they avoid hardwoods over 6"-8" is what the operator told me, so usually the tree cutters get any problem trees first. I watched this thing toss firewood size chunks 100 feet.


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Here is what happened to a guy mowing some rough terrain, by himself, just over the hill from us, not sure whether he did not walk the area, what he hit, but he got bumped off the tractor and went under the mower, I use a Ford 850 and a 6 Foot Rhino currently, after hearing about this one, I just about retired from cutting. I just make extra sure to be very careful. I've used this type of mower since I was about 10, 11 years old, know to respect them, but never felt in any danger, safe to say make sure you walk any unknown areas, look for things that can turn the tractor over, new chuck holes, pits, ruts, hidden washouts. Safe to say, just cut em low with a chainsaw, save your equipment, you can cut a lot of small trees in a day.

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Walt davies

04-21-2008 10:10:10




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Billy NY, 04-21-2008 09:10:40  
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong tractor and mower but it looks like this one has a cab and the mower is in the front so how does one fall out of a tractor with a cab and land under the mower that is in front.
A while back i saw on the television where some kids were killed in cloths drier while playing. How did they get in and turn it on.

Walt



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Billy NY

04-21-2008 10:27:41




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Walt davies, 04-21-2008 10:10:10  
The newspaper article was about the person just over the hill from our place, just a 600 series ford and a rotary cutter, he got bumped off, is what they figured after the investigation.


The equipment in the photos was when asplundh came through here, in '04 to clear the power line easement, for a new circuit, to replace the single one in the photo, some of the crew were out of a local branch, and some very nice people, last year they came by for the restoration work, and I complimented them on the work they did and how polite they were while on our land. They were parked for break time with those, I heard em, before heading out to a job, had to check out those mowers, the operator raised the deck on the one for a photo, the pump on the top of the deck is $10,000 to replace, no one fell from one of these, there would not be much left for an autopsy if they did. These would clear quite a bit in one day, not much left of trees they cut with em.

I've heard stories about kids and appliances, used to be old refrigerators mostly, that makes no sense with a dryer, but you know how kids are, 2 things myt father warned me about was the hay baler, using an example of a local that accidentally baled up 2 of his kids, and those 115,000 lines to the right in this photo, showed me a newspaper clipping of all that was left of a kid who climbed a tower, the melted remains of rubber soles from a pair of sneakers, still have that image in my mind today !

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Lee in Iowa

04-21-2008 08:23:36




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
I did a lot of trees in the 2-3 inch range one time, just made sure my slip clutches worked and that I never drove where I had already mowed. Lee



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Don L C

04-21-2008 08:10:20




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Raleigh, 04-21-2008 07:55:08  
CHAINSAW..... .



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Ken Macfarlane

04-21-2008 14:39:19




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Don L C, 04-21-2008 08:10:20  
Never mind the bushhog, driving over 5" diameter soft or hardwood is a good way to ruin your tractor.



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fergienewbee

04-21-2008 18:14:50




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 Re: Bush hogging rough land.. in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 04-21-2008 14:39:19  
They use one of those big mowers or something similar on our powerline. The property lines start at the next road and run on an angle almost a mile. They always seem to mow in the spring when it's wet and leave deep ruts. One of the operators thought he'd save a bumpy ride and come up our two-track which leads to our drive. I think he discovered the drive was too narrow and turned back around. He clearly was mowing on our property once he left the power line. I called to express my displeasure and the kid lost his job. I felt bad, but the supervisor said it wasn't the first time he got in trouble. I got concessions when they put in the line for our house. I take care of the mowing and they stay off when it's wet.

Larry in Michigan

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