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Amonium Nitrate

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Mtgummibear

04-21-2008 06:09:00




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Did you see the South Carolina story about the messed up kid who wanted to blow up his school?

Had ten pounds of Amonium Nitrate delivered to his house. What are the rules post OKC attack regarding this fertilizer? How could he do that? I thought you practically had to sign your life away to get Amonium Nitrate these days. Exactly what are the rules?




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noncompos

04-21-2008 10:24:48




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 Re: Amonium Nitrate in reply to Mtgummibear, 04-21-2008 06:09:00  
Being a long-time, dyed-in-the-wool paranoid conspiracy theorist, who can't help taking something like this and wondering 'now why haven't the people who say they're protecting us come up with a few basic tracking systems, when my grocery store can tell me everything I've bought for years', I wouldn't touch this thread with a fifteen-foot pole...



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GeneMO

04-21-2008 06:56:23




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 Re: Amonium Nitrate in reply to Mtgummibear, 04-21-2008 06:09:00  
Well as usual, the media is hyping everything. I have used commercial blasting agent, back in the good ole days when you could do such things.

it's not just real easy to set off the commercial stuff, let alone homemade. first he would have had to mix the right ratio of diesel.
Nitro methane would work better, but pretty hard to come by.

Then it needs a pretty good "thump" to set it off. I did set off 100 pounds once using two electric blasting caps, (I had ran out of dynamite) but again, go try to find electric, or any sort of blasting cap these days..

I did try to make some once with diesel, and I still had caps to try to initiate the deal. I made about 5 pounds and covered it with a bunch of sand. I was trying to blow out a shelf of rock on my creek bottom road. I did succeed in blowing a bunch of sand up in the air, but not a real explosion.

I would say he was thinking big and just plain being stupid.


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TomH in PA

04-21-2008 12:54:21




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 Re: Amonium Nitrate in reply to GeneMO, 04-21-2008 06:56:23  
Here's a video of a homemade mixture set off with a rifle shot. Kind of scary.



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MF Poor

04-21-2008 06:47:39




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 Re: Amonium Nitrate in reply to Mtgummibear, 04-21-2008 06:09:00  
Local hardware store has a pallet full of 50# bags stacked by the check-out counter. They sell to ANYONE with the money and a desire to make their lawn grow so fast you can see it move. As far as I've been told, the ONLY change was it's no longer labeled ammonium nitrate, but now labeled as 34-0-0.



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04-21-2008 18:25:35




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 Re: Amonium Nitrate in reply to MF Poor, 04-21-2008 06:47:39  
I thought Amonium Nitrate had a higher N %. I think this is a time release N.



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MF Poor

04-22-2008 03:18:44




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 Re: Amonium Nitrate in reply to reply, 04-21-2008 18:25:35  
Ammonium nitrate is 34-0-0 (34.5-0-0 actually) You might be thinking about urea which is 46-0-0



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MF Poor

04-22-2008 03:21:52




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 Re: Amonium Nitrate in reply to MF Poor, 04-22-2008 03:18:44  
link to fert. %'s



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135 Fan

04-21-2008 11:52:03




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 Re: Amonium Nitrate in reply to MF Poor, 04-21-2008 06:47:39  
Thanks! Now I can make a bomb! I've got a few things I want to blow up. LoL Dave



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kyhayman

04-21-2008 06:23:35




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 Re: Amonium Nitrate in reply to Mtgummibear, 04-21-2008 06:09:00  
Homeland Security had proposed one set of rules where you had to get a number for more than a ton. They changed them so now you dont if the only time you have that much on hand is between pickup and application. Other than a DOT transport document I havent had to sign anything other than the charge ticket at the co-op for five, four ton loads. I cant tell anything has changed in the last 20 years other than the price.

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Wesley Stephens

04-21-2008 06:22:04




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 Re: Amonium Nitrate in reply to Mtgummibear, 04-21-2008 06:09:00  
If you can afford it, it's easy to buy. I bought some for my tobacco recently and had no trouble, but we have done business with the dealer for a long time. The problem is that it is 580 dollars a ton.



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