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Gary in TX

04-20-2008 06:19:59




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Ok guys, I know before I even start this there are going to be those out there who are educated beyond their intellegence and who have more money than sense that are going to give some colorfull responses to this.
Gas and Diesel prices are getting out of hand big time. Something has got to be done or your going to see this country go more broke than it allready is.
Everybody is gripping about it, nobody likes paying it, so lets try to do something about it.
Start petitions, write to your senators or congressmen, or even the president even though he is probably making a killing on this too. Nothing personal Mr. Bush but we are hurting out here and its bad! Wasn't that way till you got in office either by the way.

A friend of mine just got back from around Kuwait, he told me gas was .30 a gallon, .30 a gallon people, we are paying $3.45 a gallon or more, whats wrong with this picture here. I'll tell ya whats wrong, we are being taken to the cleaners here and people are just laughing about it. Boycott Exxon/Mobile, whatever it takes we have got to see some relief from this. What people are failing to realise is I think, fuel prices go up, everything else has to go up to compensate for it. I know people who were going paycheck to paycheck when gas was $1.30 a gallon. I'm hearing of people who had to quit their jobs cause they couldn't afford to drive to them.
Ind. truckers are going out, what next? People we have to do something here. I read a article a few minutes ago about saving gas and $80.00 fill ups, folks if my trucks are dry its well over $100.00 and $130.00 on the diesel truck.
People can't afford that, not everyone in this country makes the mega money. Us poor folks out here are being raped and last time I heard, that was crime.


I want to know what the heck happened to The United States of America? this used to be the land of opportunity, the land of the free and the home of the brave. One thing I know of for sure, we are more like Nazi Germany and Communist Russia all the time. What next, are we going to have to show papers everytime we go across state lines.
I'll tell ya this I'm not to proud to be called an American anymore

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Homeskillet Johnson

04-21-2008 07:18:07




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
If the folks that you know were living paycheck to paycheck when gas was $1.30/gallon, they would have all been bankrupt by now. Yes, fuel prices are high, but folks that are living "paycheck to paycheck" are often in that condition for other reasons as well. I see many of these folks you're talking about at the convenience stores buying lotto tickets/cigarettes/beer and eating out at restaurants at every meal while talking on their cell phones, always driving new cars, and wearing "designer label" clothes. I rent to many of these folks that are late paying their rent every month, but when I go over to repair their plumbing in the evenings after finishing my regular job, I find they have flat screen TV's, expensive stereos/theater systems, huge liquor cabinets, closet's full of designer clothes, and bookcases full of DVD's/CD's, and an apartment generally crammed full of stuff they don't use...

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Rollie, NE PA

04-20-2008 16:19:19




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
Last month as I watched the oil executives testify before congress they said they had more refining capacity. They also said that oil should be about $55.00 a barrel. Remember when Bush went to Saudia Arabia and asked them to produce more oil? Well they basicly told him to get bent. Bush has most of the world mad at us.

The oil traders have alot to do with the record prices as There is no world shortage of oil.

Bush is buying alot of oil and putting it in the strategic reserves which is not all bad but if he would stop buying oil for a month the price would come down.

After watching the oil exeutives testify I also have boycotted Exxon/Mobile.

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Roy Suomi

04-20-2008 14:54:23




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
I've said it before.....Ross Perot hit it right on the head....Watch out for that "Giant Sucking Sound" , taking away our jobs and shipping them to other parts of the world where labor is pennies on the dollar[ what's left of it]..If he weren't such a nutcase, I think he would have done OK for us...As far as fuel goes , we have resources right here to drill offshore and in Alaska..But , ya know what ?? Even if we drill for oil here , the prices won't come down because of out of sight profit margins that can be had here...Sad state of affairs..I'm looking into a drain oil furnace for my place...What's next ??? Lifetime oil? No more oil changes ????

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Tradititonal Farmer

04-20-2008 12:36:00




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
I guess just like in the ad on TV Bush can push the EASY BUTTON and gas to $1/gal? Get real energy prices are still cheaper in the US than in most of the world.And its going to get worse before it gets better $6/gal diesel wouldn't surprise me.Its a culimination of a lot of things but it boils down to supply and demand.There are billions in the world that need and want energy, and oil is a finite resource.Drive less and ride in a more efficient vehicle to cut your energy costs because complaining won't drop the price one penny.

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rodgernbama

04-20-2008 19:18:47




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 04-20-2008 12:36:00  
I don't buy into the supply and demand argument anymore. We are using less gas at the present and yet gas is still going up. Refinery utilization is down to 80% according to last weeks EIA report. If oil companies wanted they could increase that. They'd rather produce less and get more for it. Also OPEC keeps saying there is enough oil in the market and that the low dollar is to blame. I'd like to see them say they was going to put more oil on the market. I just bet it would lower prices.

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thurlow

04-20-2008 12:08:44




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
This thread kind'a reminds me of the second verse of the old Herman's Hermits song, "Henry the Eighth". Starts out, "Second verse, same as the first".



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F-350

04-20-2008 11:55:24




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
What happened is speculation and greed have taken over.Just 16 short months ago crude was around $40 a barrel and gas was $1.85 a gallon.Dont anyone tell me that demand has driven it up nearly $80 per barrel in just 16 months.

Our Govt. and Wall Street have alot to do with it.The weak dollar and speculation have added as much as $30-40 per barrel to the price.

Food and fuel prices have almost doubled in the past couple of years but wages sure havent.Something will give one of these days.

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buickanddeere

04-20-2008 11:21:23




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
America. The land of the fat, lazy and who think they are entitled. You wish for a free easy ride doesn't work in the real world. Quit whinning, work smarter/work harder and burn less fuel. 99% of 4X4 pickups,SUV's, boats, ATVs,snowmobiles, travel trailers are for ego, not necessity. Put up or shutup.



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an observer

04-20-2008 15:32:45




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to buickanddeere, 04-20-2008 11:21:23  
not badcoming from a mouthy ego maniac from the land thar the USAsupports ,,,,,you know Norther America cleverly dressed up as Canada.I am glad that all Canadians are not as mean as you are Glen.Do you really need that newer chevy Pick up and all those new JD tractors.You Sir are mean



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buickanddeere

04-20-2008 18:53:05




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to an observer, 04-20-2008 15:32:45  
You should see the looks on stranger's faces then they start to whine when within earshot. I have a friend who is a obstetrician /pediatrician missionary. The 1st hand stories she tells will bring tears to anybody's eyes if they have a heart. By the time I get done asking why the whiner has it so rough.They either want to fight or leave red faced. It's mostly just 10-40 years too late for their Pappy to have smacked their spoiled behinds. Canada carries the US with cheap raw goods and oil. The US would be is worse shape without Canada. My kid's lawn tractors are older than their Mother. The road vehicles are an 87, 99 & 2003. The 87 hasn't seen highway in 4 years. The tractors are 1950's and 1980. Mean, down right cranky when need be. My kids still run up and hug me however.

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trucker40

04-20-2008 21:30:06




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to buickanddeere, 04-20-2008 18:53:05  
Well he!!,why dont you just get a mule and unhook from the electricity.You can get you a pedal generator and stay on the computer. You can always make a case that somebodys got it worse so dont gripe.Yeah and its a shame peoples got it bad.I hear they are eating mud and grease in Haiti.I have a cousin thats a missionary in Haiti. I think whoever is responsible for these things like that should be held accountable.Trouble is,its coming from our country,and the people responsible are using our country to sneak and hide and starve people,among other crimes.and the people that are supposed to stop this kind of stuff,dont care.Plus are not going to do anything to stop it,and may actually help it happen if they can profit from it. Canada is just as or even more corrupt than the United States.They are our good friends,but I surely doubt they carry us in any concievable way.They may think they do,but mostly Canada is a pain to us.Everything we are for,they are usually against,and we grow lots of grain,and we have lots of oil,still number 3 in the world. They may have built a few factories to break US unions,but how is that help?They make movies there now,usually not that good of a movie.I think its good we are friends with Canada,and its good they do have resources we can use,but I think there is quite a lot of our stuff going up there as well,which is good for us.To say Canada carries us is a stretch of the imagination,in any way you can imagine it.Theres about 5 times more of us to start with.They are good friends,and a lot alike,but not dependent on each other so much.We are more dependent on Mexico,Central,South America really,as thats where lots of food comes from now,and California.Canada probly buys food from us too.

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RodInNS

04-21-2008 04:51:14




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to trucker40, 04-20-2008 21:30:06  
To start with there's about 10 times more of you that there is of us....
If you don't think that we carry you to some degree, mabey we should shut off the pipelines from the tarsands for a week or two, stop all lumber shipments, turn the hydro off that powers a good portion of the north east US and then shut down the mines that supply a good chunk of your iron, aluminum, gold and various other metals. I bet we wouldn't just be a pain to you then.
The only reason that this would never happen is that it would hurt us as much or more than you.

Rod

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F-350

04-20-2008 14:18:22




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to buickanddeere, 04-20-2008 11:21:23  
Tell us what you drive and where you work.What are you dong to conserve energy?How much do you weigh?I guess now days you just stay at home and have no fun?



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buickanddeere

04-20-2008 18:40:39




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to F-350, 04-20-2008 14:18:22  
5'11", 210 lb and muscled enough to be ok on the body mass index. Drive five miles to work with a six cylinder. I heat with nuclear electric and firewood.Going to finish some hogs too when the fence is finished. Raise some birds for real meat. Have a garden for some fresh seasonal vegetables . Always marveled at the 300+lb lard *sses on their atv, riding lawn mover on a 20X50ft lawn and those who drive to the local donut hole. And idle through the drive through for 10 minutes every morning. I don't need to drive to the cottage as we live on a hobby farm complete with a creek and forest/bush/woodlot. Lake Huron is within sight down the road if the need for boating or fishing arises. Rather than hitting the theater we rent or purchase the few decent movies out there. No Sat TV dish, just a peaked and tweaked outside antenna. Swimming pool with solar heat and insulated blanket.LP backup heat, pay to play and don't complain. Do go moose hunting and we all travel in one truck and trailer. Campfires in the backyard with the kids.

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Lance in Brenham, TX

04-21-2008 07:29:01




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to buickanddeere, 04-20-2008 18:40:39  
You're my kinda guy. We're definitely kindred spirits. Work, don't worry I say...



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tlak

04-20-2008 12:48:11




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to buickanddeere, 04-20-2008 11:21:23  
Fat, lazy, and entitled, were they given all this stuff? Must have did something to get this stuff.
On your 99% list, how many of those vehicles do you have?
Burn less fuel. If the price has risen 100% in a couple years, you would have to use half as much fuel to be in the same place you were, right? So in a couple more years when it raises another 100% how much harder, smarter can you work to over come that?

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buickanddeere

04-20-2008 18:55:03




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to tlak, 04-20-2008 12:48:11  
Live within your means. Make more or spend less.



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tlak

04-20-2008 16:22:19




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Right on tlak, 04-20-2008 14:51:13  
I don't blame the Demos as much as the Repugs. They didn't do the damage in a year and a half. I think the war pres and 30 years of a Repug congress put us were we are.



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LenND

04-20-2008 15:07:25




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Right on tlak, 04-20-2008 14:51:13  
Say, what do you anti-dems have to say about our gas prices in N.D. About the only ones higher than us are Cal. and Hawaii. AND GUESS WHAT WE ARE KNOWN AS A REPUBLCAN STATE, EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? I don't think it matters who is in Washington the politicians aren't going to hurt their campaign money.And oil money fixed the election for Bush so he has some big favors to pay back. All the rest of them are next in line.

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trucker40

04-20-2008 20:58:21




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Funny Len, 04-20-2008 17:58:11  
Alright,I have to get in here.The "fake" farmers are big corporations,big money actors,doctors,and other rich people.Check it yourself.Also 21 percent or more poverty people are children.The WICA and other stuff comes out of the farm bill.I think real farmers only get 8% of the farm bill.Never cuss a farmer with your mouth full.



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LenND

04-21-2008 13:54:22




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to trucker40, 04-20-2008 20:58:21  
I think you are right, trucker40. I think all these free commodities that the town people (poor) live on and school kids eat every day is also paid for through the farm program but you notice nobody wants to mention that. They can't whine if it is mentioned.



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LenND

04-20-2008 18:38:12




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Funny Len, 04-20-2008 17:58:11  
I rented my land out a couple years ago, turned 76 yesterday so retired for the umpteened time. Never had any land in any farm program like crp cause I liked farming mine.



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M Moline Fan

04-20-2008 11:01:56




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
Last week I tuned in to a conservative talk radio program for a few minutes. A trucker called in to say he's concerned about Americans losing their jobs. The host said "you have to allow companies to get their products from the cheapest supplier they can find. If that's in China, so be it. That's capitalism. _WORK HARDER_!"

Work harder.... WHERE? Jobs are leaving our area, our county unemployment rate jumped 1% last month. This month another factory with 200+ employees lost their contract and another with 300+ have locked their employees out because they wouldn't accept a 38% pay cut. Heard that company's pulling out equip. to take out of the country. So... who's gonna pay to keep our system going? Chinese? When's enough ENOUGH?

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hay

04-20-2008 09:50:00




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
way back when in the early 1970's, when our country had a supply and demand economy, we were on the gold standard, and did not give money to every whiney foreign person that screamed for it, and when we still had our manufacturing capability we were in a lot better shape. america had degraded because of one word... GREED. believe it or not, folks, but the NAFTA and so called global economy has destroyed any hope of there ever being a middle class anymore. we are going to be either dirt poor or filthy rich. boycotting gas companies or food or anything else simply will not work anymore. the wall street traders own our economy now.

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RobMD

04-20-2008 09:42:36




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 Re: All UNfueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
I agree with the below comment. Getting our government to do things only makes things worse. You can see it in the ACLU, the DMV, and whatever other organization there is in this country.

In fact, I call for the government to remain silent and unmotivated. We as the American people can think for ourselves and govt. meddling is similar to a feudal monarchy.

With the bickering of two donkeys and one old fart of a conservative, you must take a look at the present condition of the government and realize that voting will accomplish NOTHING.

People complain that president Bush has done nothing, which, I agree, he has done nothing - that's the best thing for the government to do - just get off our a$$es.

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paul

04-20-2008 09:33:34




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
Govt better not 'do' anything about it!

It's the housing blow up, folks who bought too big a house & over inflated housing costs on money they couldn't afford to repay.

This has sunk our ecconomy, dollar is now very low compared to other currencies in the world.

So, _anything_ we import is going to cost a whole lot.

And other countries have not seen the same rise in proce that we have. So their purchasing power is much better than ours.

They can afford to buy more grains, more crude oil, more steel.....

We can't.

It was greedy people in the housing market that had the most to do with it. Wrecked the ecconomy for all of us.

'Doing something' about high oil prices will not fix this problem, not one thing. It would only make matters worse.

We need to fix our ecconomy, and prices will take care of themselves. And no matter how we do it, it will involve some pain. Hope the govt has good policies that make it as brief as possible, and that they don't try to overcorrect fuel prices, etc.

That would end as a disaster for all of us.

--->Paul

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jay-eye-see

04-20-2008 08:32:02




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
There are many factors why oil prices are what they are..... ..and the fact that we have friends of big oil in Washington is very high on that list of factors, take a shot if you wish, but you'll never convience me otherwise.



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billy bob

04-20-2008 12:41:57




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to dittmerku, 04-20-2008 08:12:42  
If your demo pres would have been taking care of business instead of giving Monica the bussiness we would not spent all this money on the war and lost lives in this country and abroad. All of this mess we are in goes back to eight years of no ethics and no back bone. One last note; If you have any mutual funds you are the "Greedy Oil Company" I trust you always buy American even when it is three times higher. Our goverment can not stop the high oil prices without taking ownership of the oil companies. Next the Gov takes the farms and then your and my lives. It is coming.

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ted regentin

04-20-2008 08:03:28




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
Most of you are missing the real problem. Gas prices are not going up. Let me repeat that. GAS PRICES ARE NOT GOING UP!!! The real problem is our government and it's ruinous economic policies. The value of our fiat dollar compared to other currencies is dropping like a rock. As our government keeps inflating the money supply through unchecked borrowing and spending the value or purchasing power of the dollar sinks and prices go up. Do a little bit of studying, read a little history, turn off the one eyed cyclops. There is nothing new under the sun. The policies now being practiced have ruined many countries in the past, and our beloved country is now well down the road to economic ruin. Anyway, that is my rant for the day. Thanks for letting me vent.

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tlak

04-20-2008 07:56:50




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
Why do any of y-all think our gov can't do something about fuel prices? Bush and Cheney would had have lied, cheated, stole, and rearranged the justice system to suit themselves. The refineries have been doing whatever they felt like for years. Walmart, 7-11, and hospitals, to name a few, run 24-7-365, but refines have to shut down for maintenance, several at one time. If the FAA can shut down an airline for somebody not measuring the space between pull-ties properly, I imagine there could be a whole set of inspectors at these refineries. I also always suspected a lot of fires at these refineries were set.
Overseas fuel prices might have medical or other benefits in them.
I think a lot of what y-all suggest about conserving fuel has been done at $2.00 a gallon. No, not everybody has money to move, buy a smaller car, go solar, etc.
I think a lot of gouging is going on with other that oil products.

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Ron Anderson

04-20-2008 07:50:41




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
So we try to conserve by buying less. the companies charge more per gallon because they aren't selling as much. The the gov adds more tax on fuel because of the fact we aren't burning as many gallons as we used to. We have to much gov interference. If you think it will change by voting someone else in good luck. We are being manipulated all the way no matter which party is in power. I am waiting for the gov to quit exporting grain and see what happens then.

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gene bender

04-20-2008 07:38:22




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
The product is bought and sold on the board of trade and world demand is up. Gas futures are also bought and sold on the board now explain how the big oil companies run the board of trade?



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coloken

04-20-2008 07:37:09




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
While I don't normaly get into this...
You fellows are all pretty much right, but you are whipping the wrong animal It is the dollar that is no good any more. Basic reason is deficit spending. Only way out is more inflation so that the debt looks smaller. Get used to it.



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TomH in PA

04-20-2008 07:26:12




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
I doubt the President or Congress can do anything about it.

Gas in Europe is over $8.00/gallon, China and India are using more all the time. And Al Gore is running around telling everyone we're still using too much.

If you want to make a difference, conserve energy. Turn the thermostat down in the winter, turn off the AC in the summer. Get a smaller car, replace the drafty windows in your house.

Also buy American made products. A big part of the price increase is the weak dollar, quit sending them overseas.

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tlak

04-20-2008 08:46:17




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to TomH in PA, 04-20-2008 07:26:12  
"Also buy American made products."
I think that ship has sailed.



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TomH in PA

04-20-2008 09:52:29




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to tlak, 04-20-2008 08:46:17  
A couple of years ago I needed jumper cables. They had two sets, one kind of flimsy looking and a much better set that was about $5 more. Guess where each was made? You can often still buy American if you check the labels and don't go for the lowest price first.



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s.crum

04-20-2008 06:50:07




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
The point everyone is missing is there is no shortage of fuel in this country and prices are high in the purely American way. Speculators are driving the price of crude oil and all fuels high. Not long ago OPEC said they would not increase production as there is plenty of oil in the market now. Scream at the oil companies and the goverment all you want but fuel is high because it's used as a hedge against the falling dollar just as gold or any other commodity is. Until we all get our head out of our a** and start conserving fuel ie; plan that trip to town to pick up several things at several locations instead of a trip every time you think you need something, this would reduce demand which would make fuels less attractive as investments which would drive down prices. Anybody that thinks $6 to $7 a bu corn would last if this ethanol BS falls thru is a fool. Capitalism is supply and demand. The goverment will not control fuel prices based on this fact. Would you be thrilled to have the goverment say that you must sell your corn for $2 a bushel even if it costs you $3 a bushel to produce and demand is high? Same goes for fuel. You want fuel prices to drop like a rock, everybody needs to just start driving and using fuel when it's NEEDED not when you feel like it. This cannot be done by a 1 day boycott or a trucker shut down. This must be done by an overall enlightening (called wising up) of the majority of fuel users over a sustained period. Fuel stockpiles become maxed out, wall street speculators get real nervous, somebody blinks and it's sell-sell-sell to try to avoid losing their a**. And once every fuel consumer is accustomed to using fuel smart it's pretty tough for speculators to drive the prices up.
Did everyone sleep thru economics 101?

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s.crum

04-20-2008 11:46:29




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to s.crum, 04-20-2008 06:50:07  
You make very good points. I gave this some thought last night while watching a segment of Myth busters. There are currently 60,000,000 vehicles on the road today world wide. Imagine the impact if 50% of these were to cut their fuel consumption by just 1 gallon a day, heck if 50% of that 50% were just to have proper maintenance it would put a real hurt on high fuel prices. I'm even running Lucas lubes in all of my road vehicle engines and gearboxes. I don't like the high prices anymore than anyone else so I take what steps I can to practice what I preach and save some money to boot. Bear in mind that I said "a sustained period" of conservation. This problem won't be solved with the "I want it now" attitude that Americans have become accustomed to in the past 50 years.

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Animal

04-20-2008 07:28:23




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to s.crum, 04-20-2008 06:50:07  
Steve,, I am from the greater K.C. area, Last week end I had to go across the state of Missouri to get my seed corn. I was amazed at what I saw on I70! The only full sized pick up trucks on the road were working, either pulling some sort of work trailer or loaded in the back, the only trucks that I saw were company owned, with the exception of 2 indepent truckers, one camper, pulled with a dually, no suv, but a lot of new small cars and I mean small, this was within a 150 miles going and coming.. To add to that this was the only time my full size pick up has been driven, since harvest time.. This fuel thing is killing everone in my area, for the first time in years commuter lots are full and you can not get a seat on a bus.. That being said, this is what has been needed for a long time, but it is hard to break the oil companies out when they have billions of dollars of our money. Last week I heard on ABC radio news that the ceo of I believe Exxon oil got a 22 million dollar bonus..and If that does not equate into a royal screwing I will pay for lying! So what do we do, darned if I know, but if anyone comes up with a good idea I will do my best to go along with it, up till then you can color me a fuel squeezer, any way I can get the job done! Instead of filling my farm tanks full I have just gotten what I think will get me by, I bought a hay rake that is twice the size of my old one, I have tuned every gas tractor that I use so I can lean them out on light work, double checked the air in all the tractor and equipment tires, jerked off every muffler and run straight pipes, repacked and adjusted wheel bearings, if I have missed something please let me know, I am all about fuel conservation, and at these prices any one who is not is a Fool!!!

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Gary from Muleshoe

04-20-2008 06:49:59




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
Gary I agree with you one 100%. It is time this country got back to the basics. The politicians and big business people have forgotten that they are where they are because of working class people. Now they act as if we are just something to be tromped on in the muck of all this mess they have made. It will most likely never happen but I wonder if this whole nation went on strike would we have there attention then.

Gas will most likely never go back under $3.00 a gallon again and will probably go over $4.00 before it is all over. Then they will come up with another reason to raise it again in about a year or so. I like most of this country am having to deplete my savings to stay on top. When are the wages going to increase with the price of everything else.

Join me friends and get on your knees and ask God to take this country back. As for the big wigs and others that think this is something to be laughed at: "Your sin will find you out, if not in this life, then surely in death".

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T_Bone

04-20-2008 06:32:36




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
Hi Gary,

For the last two weeks they have failed to include in the weekly oil report of how many refrineys are running. It peaked about 89.7% back in Jan, then slowely fell off as people quit buying so much gas.

Three weeks ago there was only 82.5% running or a drop of 7.2% in the oil companys making gasoline.

Following that logic, then if we quit buying even more gas, then they'll just keep shutting the refinerys down to keep the price higher.

I think at some point then there will be a shortage of gas to buy, not because there isn't any oil to refrine, but because there making "repairs" or "upgrades" and can't put the refriney back on-line. So are they then just slapping our hands because we cut down on our usage of gas???

T_Bone

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Gun guru

04-20-2008 06:30:19




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gary in TX, 04-20-2008 06:19:59  
I think that high oil/gas/diesel prices will be here for a long time until the big oil companies are split up. But..... the politicians will sell out to the ones with the deepest pockets and the oil companies have billions of dollars and we have nickels and dimes.



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rodgernbama

04-20-2008 19:37:26




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gun guru, 04-20-2008 06:30:19  
We need to send new people to congress and see if we can get better results. Problem is most people keep voting the same ones back in. We need alot of oversight on the oil and gas industry.



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Bob85355

04-20-2008 12:16:26




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 Re: All fueled up in reply to Gun guru, 04-20-2008 06:30:19  
Ah, Yes! Reminds me of the Lyndon Johnson era of guns and butter.

Bob



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