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jbfarms

04-17-2008 06:50:46




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How far apart should post be for a woven wire fence. Also what size diameter post should I use for cattle.




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dave2

04-18-2008 05:29:29




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 Re: I Have To Admit in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
I read somewhere that that stuff gets brittle over time and can bust (?????). Maybe a cheaper version. I went by a place last summer that had the up close pasture and paddocks fenced with used fire hose. I gave out a "HAAAAY" that would put Jeff Foxworthy to shame and been collecting ever since. I've got enough to do the round pen and am about 30 ft short on a set of paddocks.

Dave



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kyplowboy

04-17-2008 16:59:01




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
Every one has thier own way of doing things, or they just do it like granddad did. The best advice I could give you is talk to your insurance agent. Do what your policy will cover, that way if a cow gets hit by a car or gets in the corn field across the road you will be ok.

Dave



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JoshuaGA

04-17-2008 16:36:30




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
Bull. I have come to the conclusion that fencing with barbed wire is asking for trouble. Either you need your posts close together, or you keep that wire humming tight.

JoshuaGA



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Lee in Iowa

04-17-2008 15:24:15




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
If you're fencing for cattle on pasture 1 to 6 high tensile wires with every other one hot, just enough posts to keep the wire the right height. For yard fence or hogs more wires and more posts. Instead of putting up barb wire or hog wire that costs more and needs a hot wire to protect it why not build the hot wire right into the fence with high tensile cheaper, easier, and way less maintenance. Lee

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hayray

04-18-2008 06:41:18




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 Re: fence question in reply to Lee in Iowa, 04-17-2008 15:24:15  
No way high tensile is less maintenance then stock fence.



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Lee in Iowa

04-18-2008 07:17:21




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 Re: fence question in reply to hayray, 04-18-2008 06:41:18  
If you build high tensile right with every other one hot there will be very little maintenance. the most you might have to do is retension the wires with the ratchets, takes about two minutes. I don't know for sure what you mean by stock fence, but if its hog wire you better have a hot wire in front of it or you've got a heck of a job retightening it when they rub it loose. Lee



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IaGary

04-18-2008 14:57:39




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 Re: fence question in reply to Lee in Iowa, 04-18-2008 07:17:21  
Lee I hate to disagree with you but if your gonna power up a new high tensile fence why build the fence in the first place.

Just string a hot wire on the old fence.

I have 50 year old 48" woven wire with a barb on top that still turns the cattle.

You could not give a high tensile fence to me.

I know of 8 or 10 of them less tan 20 years old that are junk.

The only ones left are hot wired. So like I said why bother with the new fence.

Gary

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Lee in Iowa

04-18-2008 15:52:59




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 Re: fence question in reply to IaGary, 04-18-2008 14:57:39  
I built a lot of yard fence with 48 inch tall hog wire and a barb on top. Some times they rubbed through it, where I had a hot wire in front they still reached over it and rubber necked it down even when it was tight with posts 8 foot apart. For field or pasture fence it may be fine but it costs a lot more and a lot more work to put up. I have high tensile feedyard fence ten years old never been touched and it cost a fraction of what woven wire costs. Many of the big feedyards in eastern NE have used high tensile for many years with good results. After I started using ht I gave away whatever barb wire and woven wire I had on hand. I do put hot wires on old fences that are still good, but if I build new its ht. You just as well build the hot wire into the fence as add it on later. I've heard a lot of guys brag on their barb wire fence, but then they put a hot wire when they start reaching through. Just my experience. Lee

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Old Iron

04-18-2008 14:28:54




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 Re: fence question in reply to Lee in Iowa, 04-18-2008 07:17:21  
My stock fence is 4 strands of barbed wire, with wood fence posts spaced at 10'.

None of my cattle (livestock) have ever "rubbed it loose", so it's very low maintenance.
If I had hogs, sheep, or goats,... then, I'd have to consider using a different "type" of fence.



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IanC

04-17-2008 14:56:41




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
If all you"re trying to keep in (out?) are cattle, the cheapest cost per foot is high tensile.



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CbarJ in MO

04-17-2008 13:39:48




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
We put post every 10ft. I will not use treated post ( I am replacing 10 yr old treated post) I will now only use steel or/and hedge



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evielboweviel

04-17-2008 12:46:17




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
put a metal cap on wood posts if you have any rain in your area at all. posts will last a lot longer
Ronm



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TWheat

04-17-2008 12:32:59




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
If it's a line fence, I agree with KYhayman, local custom, interior fences on your land 4 strands of barbed wire on 12 -16 '



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kyhayman

04-17-2008 12:24:11




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
If its line fence it might be worthwhile to check and see what your state specifies in its fence law. Also, local custom has a lot of influence on what you should put up.

In two adjoing counties here (I farm in both) custom is very different. In one 5 inch wood posts on 14 foot centers with a steel post between them would be the minimum any jury would approve. 48 inch woven wire, all #9, on 12 inch stay. with a single barb on top is the standard. In the other a 4 inch wood post 20 foot center with 2-3 steel T posts and a barb on top with 48 inch 9/11 on 12 inch stay is the standard.

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James Howell

04-17-2008 12:08:14




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
I will agree with Walt davies on his suggestions.

Use hog rings to fasten the woven wire to the barbed wire at the top.

You might even consider putting a strand of barbed wire at the bottom for added strength.

Nancy and I will be “putting up” a barbed wire fence this weekend.

We set 8’x6” treated end posts last weekend. These should last my lifetime.

Planning on either 4 or 5 strands of wire with T post every 8-10 feet depending on overall length of fence.

Will use a Bois de Arc ( bo dark ) post at the “high point” of the fence. These tree posts are hard as concrete and will withstand centuries of global warming.

No livestock to keep in; just trying to keep the two-legged lower primates from driving on our property.

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Dick L

04-17-2008 10:42:20




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
Two posts per rod. 16.5 feet per rod.
This was the way to measure fields before the fences were removed to use larger machinery.

When I was young you could go out in anyones field and count the fence posts to know how long or wide a field was.

What has happened? I am only 70 years old and so much that was as solid as a rock has been forgotten



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Dick L

04-17-2008 11:11:57




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 I Have To Admit in reply to Dick L, 04-17-2008 10:42:20  
I am building fences for my horses and am setting them at 8 feet. The reason is that the plastic fence I would like to put in later is set to 8 foot.



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jose bagge

04-17-2008 17:21:37




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 Re: I Have To Admit in reply to Dick L, 04-17-2008 11:11:57  
Dick- Have you seen the vinyl horse fence that comes in continuous rolls? I am telling you, from 30 feet away it looks just like board fence- but much easier to maintain and much easier on the animals. Wish i had gone that route!



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DickL

04-17-2008 17:37:08




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 Re: I Have To Admit in reply to jose bagge, 04-17-2008 17:21:37  
I have not seen it. Sounds very interesting.



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jose bagge

04-18-2008 04:47:16




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 Re: I Have To Admit in reply to DickL, 04-17-2008 17:37:08  
Check out RAMM FENCING on line...should come up in google



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DickL

04-17-2008 17:32:22




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 Re: I Have To Admit in reply to jose bagge, 04-17-2008 17:21:37  
I have not seen it. Sounds very interesting.



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dave2

04-17-2008 10:34:29




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
If you've got to put out money for posts anyway or cut them yourself, T posts are the way to go. Got a neighbor that keeps quite a few beef on a small place that has them finced with 2x2 posts and one electric wire. Been here 10 years and never saw one out. He keeps their bellies full though.

Good Luck,

Dave



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Nancy Howell

04-17-2008 10:10:39




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
You might think about going electric. You could run just one or two strands on the inside. Stock learns real quick to stay off the fence and you fence doesn"t get pushed over. Pretty economical in the long run. We fenced our place with 4x4"s and cattle panels. Horses were rubbing so hard they popped the staples out of the panels. Ran 1 wire at "rubbing height" and no more problems. I don"t even turn the charger on anymore. Horses stay away from the fence. Fence has been completely maintenance free for over 10 yrs.

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Texasmark

04-17-2008 16:52:35




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 Re: fence question in reply to Nancy Howell, 04-17-2008 10:10:39  
I recently re-fenced. Previously used the Gaucho 15 1/2 ga high tensile and it worked great. Problem was it tore me up every time I got close to it and installing it was a bloody nightmare.

So I put up horse wire (smooth 2 strand like barbed 12 1/2 ga, but no barbs) and just like you said the cows (for me) had it pushed over in no time.

Put up one strand of hot, right at the key height (just like you did for your horses) and no more problems.

The really nice thing is I can get around it without bleeding to death or having to go to the emergency room and get a hole in my arm sewn up.

Mark

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Walt davies

04-17-2008 09:14:36




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
I put the large metal posts in about every 10 ft. and a wood post every 100 ft. and I use three rail road ties on each corner to make sure it don't come loose. Cattle will lay on the post to scratch every thing on them and sooner or later you will have to go push the fence back up. Also put two barbed wires at the top one right at the top of the woven wire and one about 6 in. above that or they will put the head though and ruin a good fence. doesn't hurt to run a single hot wire too.
Walt

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Bendee

04-18-2008 05:24:30




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 Re: fence question in reply to Walt davies, 04-17-2008 09:14:36  
All the literature I read from the manufacturers recommend NOT to use electrified wire with barbed wire,been too many deaths where people have got caught in the barb and slowly ebbed.



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RustyFarmall

04-17-2008 08:45:57




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
Around here, the maximum seems to be about 10 feet between posts.



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Old Iron

04-17-2008 08:09:16




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
If the fence is just for cattle, I'd forget about the woven-wire and put up 4 strands of barbed wire instead.



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Mike (WA)

04-17-2008 07:56:09




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
Unless there's nothing on the other side, you can put the posts about any spacing you want and the critters will still "waller" it down by reaching over. I always put two electric wires like Nathaniel said- 2 1/2 feet to stop butt rubbing, and above the top for reach-overs. The bonus there is you don't have to have close, or large, posts- I go 12 feet, with two steel posts then a 4" wood every third post. If they stay away from it, it'll last forever (well, at least until the Chinese wire rusts).

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NBAllen

04-17-2008 07:49:11




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
It's a question of cost and $$ available. AND $$ in materials and time down-the-road for fence maintenance.

Greater spacing now means less mat'ls & quicker installation, but more maintenance as the cattle work on the fence.

Given the option I'd use nothing smaller than 5" diameter, treated posts. And spaced at ~8' - 10'

BUT...I'd also run a hot wire on the inside of the fence to keep the cattle from reaching through the fence, wallowing down the woven wire, and rubbing on the fence and the posts.

A couple years ago, I removed a woven wire fence for a neighbor - the fence was 10 or 15 years old, but the wire was very straight. The neighbor had an electrified strand of barbed wire 30" off the ground and another strand 10" above the top of the 48" woven wire.

Bottom line - the woven wire is the visual barrier, but the electrified wire keeps the critters in.

Nathaniel

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1936

04-17-2008 07:39:22




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
Dads always used 4 good step between post. Never saw a small post I like. 4 to 6 inch hedge at the top will last longer than you.



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thurlow

04-17-2008 07:26:17




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 Re: fence question in reply to jbfarms, 04-17-2008 06:50:46  
Far's I know, there are no 'rules'; everybody who posts on here will have a different answer. 10ft. 6 -- 8 inch.



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