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Truckers, How do they feel about drafting?

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Tim B from MA

04-16-2008 12:34:03




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After several years of being part-time (for the kids) and working in a satellite office near my home, I went back full time and now have a nearly 50 mile commute. I got a little commuter car and have been entertaining myself keeping track of how different driving styles affect my milage.

For this tank of gas, I am focusing on drafting behind semi-trucks, big box trucks, and the occassional pick-up and SUV.

Being sensitive to not being a pain-in-the-a$$, if I sense that I am disturbing the driver I stop. If he changes lanes, I tend not to follow him into the new lane, but other than that, it is hard to tell.

So .... any truck drivers out there? Does it bother you if a little commuter car is on your tail?

What I need is a signal I can give them that I am not tail gaiting hoping they will get out of my way, but just using their free air space.

Which leads me to the question - is if free to both of us, or does drafting put any additional drag on the lead vehicle??

Tim

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Brad Wheeler

05-11-2008 08:41:53




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
I'm an owner-operator on the west coast,and these are my thoughts on drafting.First of all,you are following to close,second,I paid for that fuel.Why should I aid you in saving your fuel?What have you ever done to help me?



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36 coupe

04-18-2008 01:53:05




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
You are several bricks short of a load.AS in stupid.With all the tire treads and pieces of leaf springs on the road you will get one thru your windshield soon.



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02XLT4X4

04-18-2008 06:27:50




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to 36 coupe, 04-18-2008 01:53:05  

36 coupe said: (quoted from post at 01:53:05 04/18/08) You are several bricks short of a load.AS in stupid.With all the tire treads and pieces of leaf springs on the road you will get one thru your windshield soon.


Probably not, he just did it for a little bit for the sake of testing it. I think he has enough of a thrashing to know not to do it again.

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kmcampbe

04-17-2008 18:55:53




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Sounds like a good way to DIE! :!:



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balatonm

04-17-2008 09:02:43




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Don't do it. If you cant see the truck dirver in his miore, He shere as heck cant see you.



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Tim B from MA

04-17-2008 06:23:49




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
43 - 52 mile commute each way depending on route.

Keeping to 65 mph as much as possible when on highway:

One-quarter of route on a 2-lane highway with lights about 35 to 36 mpg (no jack rabbit starts)

Almost all highway 37.5 to 38.5 mpg

Keeping to 70 mpg as much as possible, mostly highway (only one tank full tried) 35.7 mpg

My Drafting trial finished this AM and despite the sniper fire I lived to tell about it.

Keeping to 65 as much as possible, drafting when oppurtunity permits 40.3 mpg.

I would guess I drafted about 30 miles out of 397 miles for the tank - I'm sure it was not 40 miles. I would guess my average speed while drafting, dictated by the lead vehicle, was substantially above 70 mph.

Thanks to BushogPapa and Nolan for the info from Myth Busters.

BTW seeing all the re-tread debris on the highway, I WAS worried about it every sencond I was drafting. I also worry about it when truckers blow by me when I am obeying the law at 65 MPH. And they are probably calling me names then too because they had to switch lanes to go around me.

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Phil Munson NY

04-17-2008 10:02:01




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-17-2008 06:23:49  
You realize, of course, that at 70 MPH you are going in EXCESS of 100 feet per SECOND. Don't you??? Average REACTION time is about one second. Sure, a few folks may have a reaction time of half that; very few!! So what. The instant you are not paying strict attention you can be dead. Losing control of your car at 70 MPH you can take a number of other innocent folks with you. If you think a few bucks worth of gas money is worth that risk you ought to be a pedestrian.

As for being a traffic impediment; that is why the big roads have granny lanes and rifle lanes. Years ago J B Hunt slowed their entire fleet to 59 MPH, max, flat out screamin. In the year following there was not even one collision attributed to the slower speed.

If you want better MPG leave home five or ten minutes earlier and drive reponsibly. best, Yeoman

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Bruce Hopf

04-16-2008 21:00:13




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
As a trucker, I do know what its like to take a tailgaters off the road. I had a tire blow out with a recapped tire, on a van trailer. The recap flew as high as the trailer, was spinning backwards, and rolled as soon as it hit the ground. It rolled right under the car that was right on my bumper, and clean everything from under it, trans mission, engine pan, exhaust system, you name it.
One other time I had hit a deer at night. I had a car right on my bumper. The deer tried to go across the highway in between the tandems of the tractor, and the tandems of the liquid tanker trailer, I was pulling. The deer flew out from behind the trailer, and the car swerved to miss the deer, and drove into the guardrail, that was along a cliff.
It is very dangerous to even think about tailgating a liquid tanker trailer. First what is loaded in that tanker. Second. Those steel rear fenders are held on by two pieces of thin walled pipe. If a tire blows out that fender will fly off, and it will shear right through your vehicle. I had a blow out on my tractor one night, and there was not much left of that steel, front fender of the liquid tanker I was pulling. It was bent up really bad. So how do you feel about drafting. Do you feel lucky? its your call. Those trucks run an average of 6.5 to 10 miles per gallon, while your car runs over 30 miles per gallon. Tailgaters used to cost me money. Now there was another complaint, about a semi trying to pass another semi. The semi that was doing 65 miles per hour, probably sped up to stop the other semi from passing out of shear ignorance. I encountered that a lot from other drivers when I was driving truck. Then they would slowdown again, after you pulled back in behind them. Once again pure ignorants, and all this does is give the good drivers a bad name, and make the good drivers look bad.

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Goose

04-16-2008 20:30:43




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
I once commented in print that the public schools' Driver Ed didn't teach students to drive, it taught them how to pass the license exam.

Our daughter once spent time in Germany as an exchange student. The male head of her host family happened to be a professional driving instructor.

To get a driver's license in Germany, one first has to successfully complete a driving course taught by a licensed professional driving instructor at a cost the equivalent of $1500 to $2000.

Think how many lives would be saved here in the States if we had the same in effect. And think how short the career would be of any politician who tried to promote it.

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dave2

04-16-2008 22:26:17




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Goose, 04-16-2008 20:30:43  

Goose said: (quoted from post at 20:30:43 04/16/08) I once commented in print that the public schools' Driver Ed didn't teach students to drive, it taught them how to pass the license exam.
Our daughter once spent time in Germany as an exchange student. The male head of her host family happened to be a professional driving instructor.
To get a driver's license in Germany, one first has to successfully complete a driving course taught by a licensed professional driving instructor at a cost the equivalent of $1500 to $2000.
Think how many lives would be saved here in the States if we had the same in effect. And think how short the career would be of any politician who tried to promote it.


I've been in Germany the last 18 years, overall, drivers are safer (German drivers) There are still some flaming idiots though. Not a lot of tailgating trucks though unless it's a 2 lane road (they can only drive 80 kmh) but they'll sure tailgate each other. I drive 50 miles one way to work driving 100+mph and still have people blowing by me like nothing or, if I am in the passing lane, barreling right up on my a$$. Weather conditions don't seem to phase them. At those speeds, there aren't many traffic injuries. I've seen plenty of cars being pulled out from under trucks.

Driver's license are expensive and not easy to get here, but when you get it, your ready and capable of handling any situation. Whether you apply the knowledge is up to you. The out of country drivers are something to look out for.

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wijim

04-16-2008 20:00:24




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Ever see A tire come apart on A trailer at 70 mph. That should be A answer to your ?



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fergienewbee

04-16-2008 19:51:54




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Just my $.02 worth. I try to never get behind truckers, especially if they are hauling logs or pipe. I don't want to be in the way if the load shifts or a chain snaps.

When I go out of state hunting, I drive all night. I leave right after supper. I'm amazed at all the gorgeous trucks in the rest areas. Not many on the road after midnight.

Larry



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2x4

04-17-2008 00:47:52




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to fergienewbee, 04-16-2008 19:51:54  
noticed that also. Used to be truckers drove at nite but thats changed. I took my truck & trailer thru 4 rest stops one nite before I found the last spot to park.



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Walt davies

04-16-2008 19:13:26




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
I used to do that on my motorcycle many years ago on a cold night it sure made things nice..
By the way on a motorcycle one drives with foot and hand on the brakes at all times.
Walt



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jose bagge

04-17-2008 04:29:50




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Walt davies, 04-16-2008 19:13:26  
only way to be safe on a bike is to consider every ride an "accident in progress". As soon as you're beyond that state of mind- someone will do something stupid and hurt you. 77 bmw r100rs 135,000 miles



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dave2

04-16-2008 22:12:01




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Walt davies, 04-16-2008 19:13:26  

Walt davies said: (quoted from post at 19:13:26 04/16/08) I used to do that on my motorcycle many years ago on a cold night it sure made things nice..

By the way on a motorcycle one drives with foot and hand on the brakes at all times.

Walt


I just had someone send me something about a MC running into the back of a semi at 120mph (truck speed, I don't know). Anyway, one picture was a mangled MC and the rest were of the back of the trailer when the truck got stopped 1/4 mile later. Looked like someone was taking a peek inside the back of the truck. The MC rider's head/helmut hit and stuck in the bottom left corner of the door and he stayed there. Saved him from getting beat up so bad (just drug off his shoes), but he was still good and dead.

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BushogPapa

04-16-2008 18:51:09




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
On the show "Myth Busters", they went over this and dscided that you can get a very nice fuel savings at even 150 feet distance..

At about 100 feet distance, I believe they figured a 25% savings in gas... I drove coast to coast for 13 years and would have no problem with someone driving 100 feet off my tail...!! It was surprising, when they tested the fuel savings at 2 feet from the truck and found the draft was not nearly as effective, if you folled too close...! FWIW... Ron.

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Nolan (foxtrapper)

04-17-2008 04:49:44




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to BushogPapa, 04-16-2008 18:51:09  
From the show,
Fuel consumption decrease:
11% at 100 ft 20% at 50 ft 27% at 20 ft 39% at 10 ft 28% at 2 ft



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ericlb

04-16-2008 18:47:27




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
as a professional trucker i can tell you your dumb as a stump!, first your car already gets a zillion miles per gallon, which is why your drafting, compared to a semi, second when a driver cant see you in his mirrors, he has no idea your even there, third when a jake brake or any other engine brakeing devise is engaged in a big truck, the brake lites do not come on! if your that close you have 0 reaction time to react to even a slow down much less a stop, a fully loaded semi weighs 80,000 lbs, you weigh at the most 2,500 wanna guess who wins in a wreck? but the real bad thing is when you splatter your car all over the back of a trailer due to this, the media jumps up and the headlines read something like "trucker kills another motorist" and a guy or gal just trying to do his job gets all course of leagle problems because of it, back off! you want to talk about a tankfull of gas? try 300 gallons every other day or so at a cost of 4.30 per gallon! and in all 50 states driving is a privledge, not a right, you can drive if you obtain a licence to do so but only as long as you obey the laws

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Goose

04-16-2008 18:31:42




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Not having been behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler since I drove a Marine Corps semi on Taiwan in 1958, there's one thing I'm curious about.

Truck drivers rant on and on about how a big rig cannot manuever or stop as easily as a 4 wheeler. And they can't.

Then, why in the HE11 do truckers insist on driving like they can? My previous post about mental defectives and idiots wasn't confined to 4 wheelers.

On the way home tonight, in a 75 mph zone, one truck was going 65 in the right hand lane. Another tried to pass him in the show off lane. The two trucks ran side by side for over 5 miles before the one decided he couldn't make the pass and backed off. There was a three mile long traffic jam behind them, including many other 18 wheelers. I happened to be in the right hand lane behind the truck that being passed. When the other idiot finally decided to back off and pull in behind, I had to hit the brakes and the shoulder to keep from being creamed.

Fortunately, my exit came up about then.

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jose bagge

04-17-2008 04:32:45




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Goose, 04-16-2008 18:31:42  
amen! All the truck driver preachin' about safety goes out the window when they step into the cab!



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KEB1

04-16-2008 18:31:38




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
I can't believe you would even consider doing something that dangerous just to save a few pennies worth of gas....

Keith



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dave guest

04-16-2008 18:24:30




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Remember one car length for each 10 mph? I figure a tailgater must have real good reflexes and new brakes.



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Leland

04-16-2008 18:17:42




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Tailgating I can handle ,it the morons in the lo-slug cars that drive under the trailer to change lanes that pizz me off .



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Jeff-oh

04-17-2008 07:00:49




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Leland, 04-16-2008 18:17:42  
Have you really seen this happen out side of the movies?

Really with the spare wheel cradels and other stuff I can't see it as possible in the real world.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't believe people try and some may get lucky.



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Leland

04-17-2008 07:41:10




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Jeff-oh, 04-17-2008 07:00:49  
Plenty of room under a 53' van ,I have had it happen in Chicago K.City and several larger citys where guys can afford $250-500,000.00 for autos .



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fixerupper

04-16-2008 18:17:02




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
If you can't see the trucker's mirrors, he can't see you. Nuff said! Jim



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Roy in georgia

04-16-2008 18:07:24




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
I drive a truck every day local and I don't like tailgaters but the ones that pull out in front of these heavy trucks it takes alot more to stop these things than people think and my closest calls were with these type of people who don't want to be behind me.



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JMS/.MN

04-16-2008 17:02:06




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
For those people who say, "There is no such thing as a stupid question"....I rest my case.



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jose bagge

04-16-2008 16:15:51




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Man, i tell ya- This thread is ALL about the pot calling the kettle black. i run up and down I-81 all the time, and the absolute WORST tailgaters on that stretch of highway are the truckers- they tailgate cars, they tailgate each other, and just generally haul a$$ without regard to anyone or anything else on the road.
We won't even talk about the semis taking a right turn on red to pull out in front of on-coming traffic on Rt 17, killing an average of 8 citizens a year on a 5 mile stretch of road. Their poor driving and incredibly poor behaviour led to the closing of one of the largest Truck Stops on the east coast at 17/95-and not a moment too soon.
The same attitude and general disrespectfor the public that resulted in the name calling and testosterone-laden BS here is the cause.The same trash would yell at my 16 year old daughter to " show us your ---s!"
A FAR CRY FROM THE "WHITE KNIGHTS OF THE HIWAYS" THAT EXISTED IN THE 1960s!
I will say this- the price of fuel has led to a general slow down and substantially safer driving.

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the tractor vet

04-16-2008 15:54:16




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Well i for one HATE them and if you were on my donkey you just may get the full affect of just how well the jake brake works with no warning of brake lites coming on . Don't care who you are if you are tailgating your going to get a lesion . Had a Ind. state cop riding the tailgate on dark and raining nite with just one head lite shining in the drivers mirror blinding me , Little did he know that in the back of that DUMP trailer there were two 4509 aircraft landing lites that were used for backup lites . Had all i could stand and gave him the flash bulb treatment and a light tap on the brake pedal . Next thing i knew he was sliding all over the road tryen to get stopped . when he could see aging he stopped me and we had long and harsh words between us . bet he never got up under anybody after that . I could have flipped the switch on the tailgate and put 5-6 ton of feed salt on his hood just as easy.

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kyplowboy

04-17-2008 17:26:37




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to the tractor vet, 04-16-2008 15:54:16  
HEHE!!

I got a set of big KC's turned around on the head ache rack of my F350 for back'n up, work'n of stuff and loading tobacco or hay after dark. There is a short some where, they flick on at night some times too!!!!



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Davis SC

04-16-2008 15:26:28




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
I hate a tail-gater... I will not slam the brakes on them, but I will make a point to slowdown/speed up, until they get the message to get off my bumper. It never fails that when you have a load on a flatbed or trailer, someone wants to tailgate.. I think they are hoping something will fly off, so they can sue..



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Tim B from MA

04-16-2008 15:23:48




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Thanks to those folks who posted civil replies and sound advice, without resorting to calling me names.

When I get done experimenting with this tank of gas, I'll go back to conserving fuel by just doing the speed limit.

When is the last time you all tried doing the speed limit? I'm not sure doing 65 in a small car (even in the right-hand lane) is any safer when everyone else is doing 70 to 80 mph - including many of my trucker friends.

Tim

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greg b

04-16-2008 16:41:09




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 15:23:48  
hey tim start doing the speed limit now ,sorry about my previous reply



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Mark-IA

04-16-2008 15:11:25




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
I drive a semi. I DON'T LIKE TAILGATERS. If someone won't pass me, I'll slow down until the dummy gets the hint and goes around. You're an accident waiting to happen.



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dhermesc

04-16-2008 14:32:27




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
I asked my brother about that once - he didn't care one way or the other. Two vehicles "drafting" will actually create less drag for both (including the front one - no one watches NASCAR?).


His only concern is that the car drafting will not pay close enough attention and run up under his trailer and kill the driver - but then he's only off the road long enough to fill out an accident report and go on his way.

After someone replaces a few windsheilds they get over the idea of drafting.

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James Howell

04-16-2008 14:28:31




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Visited the Wikipedia web site to enlighten myself on the “polite” definition for tailgating and found that there are several reasons for tailgating.

Here are a couple of Wikipedia’s explanations.

A form of deliberate tailgating known as "draft-assisted forced stop" or "draft-assisted forced auto stop" (D-FAS) is a technique which has been used by people known as “hypermilers” to achieve greater fuel economy. D-FAS involves turning off the engine and gliding in neutral while tailgating a larger vehicle, in order to take advantage of the reduced wind resistance in its immediate wake. Note that this practice is highly dangerous: while tailgating itself is inherently risky, the danger of collision is increased with D-FAS as power for power brakes can be lost after a few applications of the brake pedal and, with older cars, the pressure that causes power steering to function can be lost as well.

The acronym D-FAS could also stand for Dumb Foolish Asinine Stupid.

In its worst form, it can be a particularly virulent form of road rage and a form of intimidation. This is where the tailgating driver (the driver in the following vehicle) can threaten damage to the leading vehicle and its occupants by driving aggressively (perhaps also with use of headlights and horn) to encourage the leading vehicle's driver to do something to placate the tailgater (often illegal, like increasing speed beyond the speed limit or changing lanes without due regard for safety). However, it can also be dangerous to the tailgater as well, especially if he or she is driving closely behind a large vehicle (such as a tractor-trailer, or gas tanker). If the leading vehicle decelerates suddenly (such as when encountering a traffic jam, avoiding pedestrians, etc.), the tailgater has a high risk of causing a rear-end collision.

Consider the risk versus reward in these situations.

My reply to your post is not important.

Ask both your wife and your children if they would trade your life for the money you are saving on a few over-priced gallons of gas?

Their reply is the most important you will ever receive.

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Steve in IL

04-16-2008 14:27:28




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Tim - The response is a bit brutal eh? That being said, it is unfortunate that we don't have an automated system that enables this. The concept has been demonstrated to significantly reduce fuel consumption (as you have found), and increase road capacity (less space between each vehicle). But it does take a automated system to do this safely. I seem to remember Ford demonstrating a system a few years ago. FYI - You actually slightly help the lead vehicle by drafting... Watch a NASCAR race at one of the super speedways (yes, I know that they also physically push the leader, but the aero benefits exist too).

Be safe!

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04-16-2008 14:26:36




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
If your close enough for it to help your to close and the trucker doesn't know your there or can not see you there. As a RETIRED trucker I will say this to you. DON'T DO IT. Truckers have a hard enough time as it is and don't need an to have to worry about you being to close



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Billy NY

04-16-2008 14:21:42




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Tim, the practice of following closely behind a moving tractor trailer on a highway, for this purpose is the equivalent of spending a dollar to save a penny, and is a dangerous proposition to say the least.

I can give you 3 scenarios at low speed, whereas the vehicle could not be seen and the results:

1.) While hauling trusses on a Dump D Matic truss type trailer, I had the lower kit on for hauling a short, high pitch type truss from a previous load, this is a big piece of angle iron tha hangs from a heavy chain to support the load. Another vehicle, an 80 year old man, was too close at an intersection where I was turning, he tried to cut inside to make the turn at the same time, I never saw him as the tractor was already straight and I was shifting gears, I hooked onto that car and dragged it into a corner, which wrenched the car so bad it blew out all the windows, popped the tires and bent the rims inward, the car was totalled in a few seconds, I looked back only because it felt like the brakes locked up or something, early 80's long wheel base R model Mack 9 spd with 300+ in line motor, it was just enough drag to make me look, and I was going up hill at this turn, the car was nothing to this rig, the man was OK, said, well I'm getting a new car and I got a confounded ticket with points on my license. My experience with truck driving has always been like that, between dot checks, weight checks and all the rest, always getting screwed just for showing up to work, you can take driving for a living and shove it, that is for sure. $7.25/hour in those days.


2.) Sun is setting in front of me and is blinding, was late fall, I pull up to a line of traffic, long nose International 4300 tractor, lowbow behind, thought the next car could be seen, nope, so I am in Lo creeping forward, pushing the car in front of me into the next one and so on, think it was 3 cars worth, the tractor just kept pushing, never saw the guy directly in front of me until someone got out and told me what was happening ! SOunds stupid, but it happened, and proves even at an idle these big trucks are dangerous.


3.) At an intersection, with a flatbed trailer in tow, I roll back while starting off, not much but a little, I get back the yard and someone has reported me for leaving the scene of an accident, well that's just great, what d@mn accident ??? Never saw the guy, but he obviously was right on my tail !!!! I told them to pound salt, really p#ssed me off, how was I to know, you can't feel a car with 42 feet of trailer and a long wheel base tractor, give the truck driver some room for darned sake ! Again, risking my license for a job, that paid sh$T.


Higher speed: ok, this is great, I'm running a freightliner tri-axle, empty headed back to the quarry, some idiot is on the I-90 bridge crossing the hudson river dragging a bumper, the woman behind her, makes a rash decision to get out from behind this wreck on the road and pulls in front of me, I hit the brakes enough to skid sideways a little, once that skid starts you have to let off, I literally pushed her trunk into the back of the drivers seat, on a high bridge, where if I made a bad reaction to what she did, I'd have been in the drink, hudreds of feet below, no way a barricade would have stopped this truck, even worse if I was loaded, she'd have been crushed. She was ok, another car completely totalled, and here I am again, doing what I'm told, making a lousy $9/hour hauling 22-30 ton on this truck, yeah we used to run way over on state highway jobs, was even told no one is breaking chops about it, they need to complete the job before winter. Driving with 30 ton on is no joke, big ole monkey on your back, it gets a little nervy at times, stress level is up there, you don't need idiot drivers around you.


'05 - I do someone a favor by driving a rig hauling horses that year, for the show season, so in the beginning of the season, I took the rig down the road a few exits to fuel it up, and along side me comes a NYSP patrol car, he's locked onto a car and is going to pull them over. This is the first time I stepped into a rig in 12 years, I have a clean license and abstract for at least 15 years prior, never a DWI or anything of the sort, I'm a seasoned driver, not a part time novice, or CDL school trainee, we have owned rigs in the past and I did my time in the seat, hauling lumber, heavy equipment, over width and over lenght loads etc. The trooper abruptly changes lanes, gets right in front of me and turns the lights on, I narrowly missed clobbering him, and I would have, you just have no choice you have to keep that rig straight, even if it means hitting something. This rig is owned by a wealthy couple who fool with horses in the hunter jumper shows, my step mother is their trainer, I was doing them a favor, no pay, just thought it would be interesting to get some time in the seat again, something different to do in my schedule at the time. She witnessed the entire thing as she was following me to the fuel station, my father was in the passenger seat. 2 witnesses toi attest to this incident. A complaint was made, she got the plate of the patrol car or something, noted the time of the incident so it could be traced. This guy was obviously green, he made a huge mistake by driving like this and I would think to have known better, these guys are well trained too, but it just takes one wrong move. Everytime I get involved with trucks, tractor trailers, it's like I'm a magnet for trouble.


If you think there is any rationale behind your thoughts on this, just consider the guy behind the wheel you are following, he may have to make a quick decision that will leave you NO TIME to react, your vehicle is no match for a rig. Stay well away from all trucks, either pass or stay far behind, NEVER stay close to one on a highwayt. I had a front tire blow once, the retaining ring flew off to the side, fender blew to pieces, battery box blown off, how'd you like to be next to that tire blowing at speed and have all this junk coming at you ? Driving today, you must be on the defense and be totally aware of everything around you, if you cut your vision off by staying behind a trailer, you lose the ability to see problems and afford yourself time to react. This makes no reasonable sense to me, give these drivers some room or face the consequences.

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greg b

04-16-2008 13:56:14




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
how long have you wanted to commit suicide????? ??



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Nancy Howell

04-16-2008 13:36:48




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Real simple - how would you feel if I was so close behind you that you couldn"t see the headlights of my pick up? You"re an accident waiting to happen.



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dr sportster

04-16-2008 13:32:49




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Are you serious or delirious?Truckers have it tough enough without that bs.And yes it does put drag.The wind behimd a vehicle slams constantly back and forth,side to side.When you try to back out of the draft you may just be tossed right off the road.This info is from a motorcycle magazine article by Kevin Cameron.The guy really knew what he was talking about.Tape a piece of ducktape tail to your car and youll see what the effects are.Do you want a motorcycle tagging your butt?Dont be offended if guys get mad at you its just stupid.

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Preacher Man

04-16-2008 13:17:30




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
YES I MIND!! Have you seen the sign on the back of some trucks that say "If you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you"? That sign means what it says. I have driven over 3 million miles accident free and I hate to have anyone, truck or car, behind me that I can not see!!



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TxFarmallFan

04-16-2008 13:07:57




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Trucks dont kill people, stupid people like YOU kill people! You have got to be an idiot for thinking that! They ought to make people take an IQ test before they get their license.



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Goose

04-16-2008 13:03:31




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
My daily commute includes 18 miles of very busy I-80 each way. It's mind boggling to comprehend the number of mental defectives and abslolute idiots on the road and the number of ways they can dream up to screw up traffic.

When the speed limit is 75 and most traffic is moving 78 or 79, this is time to be dead serious and not be playing stupid little games.



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ScottyHOMEy

04-16-2008 12:59:01




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Ain't any such signal.

This is a joke, right? If not you're an idiot.

You ever see the sign on the back of the big trucks that says "If you can't see my mirrors I can't see you?"

I don't drive a big truck, but I've spent a lot of time pullin' all kinds of trailers. I've had a lot of guys like you slip in behind me. Worst case I had was on Rt. 17 in NY east of Binghamton. Hilly, windy and, that particular mornin', wet. I spend a lot of time in my mirrors. Still I didn't see this fool get in behind me. Just every now and then I'd catch a glimpse of him in my mirrors, weavin' around back there like he was tryin' to warm up his tires or suspension for a Nascar race. I slowed down to 45, he stayed there. 35 he stayed there. For him to get where I couldn't see him when he was directly behind a 7-foot-wide box, he had to be two feet off my back door. A flamin' a$$!

I finally pulled off so that he had to coma around. The jerk gives me a big yeehaw and a thumbs up as he goes by like he and I had been workin' together. His girlfriend's just tryin' to be invisible. Oh yeah, did I mention the rusted out shuttbox he was drivin' was plastered with all manner of Nascar decals? I'll bet his brakes were right up to snuff.

Stop what you're doin' NOW. The life you save may be your own.

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JoeBob/IN

04-16-2008 12:57:22




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
I am not a trucker but just a farmer with a tractor-trailer setup. I hate when someone follows me that close. I will drill the brakes when I see them not paying attention as the accident will be legally their fault. Yet to be in a rearend collision but it sure makes them back off. Really hate when people follow that close while in a tractor. Amazing how I can find a safe spot to let the respectful drivers pass but just can't seem to find one for the idiots. I would suggest getting a CB and asking the driver if you can draft. Not so sure they like ya being there.

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it costs truckers

04-16-2008 12:53:26




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
MF Poor said it right, and all things aside, it is costing the vehicle you tail gate more fuel. Theres a reason the strongest geese fly at the head of their formation and switch places with others once in awhile. No such thing as 'free' energy, theres always a cost to someone or something somewhere.



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buickanddeere

04-16-2008 12:53:18




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
How about using a grappel hook and have the truckers tow your car?



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MF Poor

04-16-2008 12:39:32




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 Re: Truckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Tim B from MA, 04-16-2008 12:34:03  
Are you serious?

I expect you're going to get an ear full from a few truckers.

What you're doing is ILLEGAL for starters.

Good chance you're in a blind spot when you're that close to being underneeth the tail end of a semi. Besides the ILLEGAL part, you're improving your odds of getting killed or causing a serious wreck.



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Phil Munson NY

04-16-2008 12:50:30




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 Reckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to MF Poor, 04-16-2008 12:39:32  
He's joking; right? After two million accident free miles I can tell you he ought to be killed before he kills someone else. The use of the blacktop is NOT a constitutional right, it is a privilege and should be regarded as such. It cannot be stupidity. Behavior this profoundly wrong is selfishness and inconsideration of others. best, Yeoman



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VADAVE

04-16-2008 13:28:03




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 Re: Reckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to Phil Munson NY, 04-16-2008 12:50:30  
I read this string all the way through, then I get to you. You think driving is a privilege? Do drive? why?
Do you live close enough to work/play you can lose the privilege?
If you can't answer yes then what makes you think driving is a privilege?



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Don-Wi

04-16-2008 18:21:59




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 Re: Reckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to VADAVE, 04-16-2008 13:28:03  
Sure is a privilage. Gotta keep a clean record to be able to keep it too. If you live too far away, that's not anyone's fault but your own.

I live 10 miles from work and it's a privilage that I can drive, instead of walk or ride a bike to work every day.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Phil Munson NY

04-16-2008 15:05:43




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 Re: Reckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to VADAVE, 04-16-2008 13:28:03  
Driving is a privilege. In order to exercise it one must obtain a driver's license. If you abuse the privilege enough, ie; DUI, speeding, reckless (as Tim from MA does) eventually any state will revoke that privilege. If you know of a state that doesn't require a license to operate a motor vehicle on it's public highways I would like to know about it; crazy!! best, Yeoman



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DickL

04-16-2008 14:20:55




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 Re: Reckers, How do they feel about drafting? in reply to VADAVE, 04-16-2008 13:28:03  
Go before a judge and it will be explained in English that you will be able to understand that driving is a privilege.



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