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Dealer service dept-horror story

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cornfarmer

04-07-2008 20:08:49




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A couple of weeks ago, I was working across the road from the local Case/IH dealership when my 5088 developed a real bad rattling noise. I drove it over and dropped it off. Next day, service manager calls and tells me #3 rod bearing failed and suggests installing reman engine as the most cost-effective solution. I tell them if that is what it needs, go ahead and install a remanufactured engine. Problem is, when they started the tractor back up with the new engine in it, it still made the same noise!!! They then took out the center transmission oil drain plug, and pieces of a lock ring came out and dropped in the bucket with the oil. The noise was really coming from the transmission (probably the countershaft) and the noise was carrying forward. Service manager diagnosis was based on listening with a mechanics stethoscope, and noise appeared to him to be in the middle of the engine, but the 436 has a center bearing on the crankshaft, and that was where the vibration was picked up. Talk about getting a diagnosis wrong! As this is ongoing, they did not have the transmission taken apart today so I do not have an ending yet. Sounds like a dealer is going to eat an engine, or at least the labor to swap one twice.

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Dachshund

04-08-2008 18:08:09




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
Yup. Had a mechanic in the town where we used to live look at my pickup He told me it would be $4000 to fix it. In addition, he spread it all over town what was wrong with the vehicle. I took it to another mechanic (friend) and it turned out to be a $500 fix - and nothing NEAR what the first guy had said. He was embarassed (and a little mad) when he found out he had been caught. Other people told me that they had had problems like that with him before. Never did take anything back to the guy and didn't feel sorry for him when he went out of business. We've moved to a different area, but I've learned since to take my vehicles out of town so rumors don't get started.....

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Goose

04-08-2008 13:40:36




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
During the ten years I spent as a Claims Adjuster on vehicle service contracts, I saw the absolute worst of the auto industry.

I once caught a Chevy dealer in Mississippi installing a used salvage yard engine in a pickup after I'd authorized $2700 plus labor for a new Goodwrench engine. A Dodge dealer in Colorado installed a salvage yard trans in Dodge Intrepid after I'd authorized $1700 plus labor for a Chrysler reman unit. That bit them several months later when their salvage yard trans failed and the car was supposed to have a Chrysler reman trans in it with a 36 month, 36,000 mile warranty from Chrysler.

And that was routine, everyday stuff. Considering what repair shops tried to do to us, knowing we were professionals, I don't even want to think about what they're doing to an uninformed and unsuspecting public. The large franchised dealers were the worst of the bunch. They knew the manufacturers wouldn't come down on them because they sell too many vehicles.

I'd better not get started on the auto industry.

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Will Herring

04-08-2008 10:42:11




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
Yeah, if you don't know something about cars, dealerships and service centers will sometimes take you for all you are worth. And their labor prices are ridiculous.



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Walt davies

04-08-2008 08:54:37




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
My friends mother had trouble with her car battery going dead she would let it sit for about 2 weeks and wonder why it dead. I looked it over could not find any draw other than the clock and some small things that are always on. about 100 MA.
She took it to the local dealer and they fixed it pulled the fuse on the circuit with the radio and clock. and charged her $190. this included a new battery. I took a look under the hood and it still had the old battery in it. I put the fuse back in she likes the radio to work. Called the dealer said that they owed her for the repair and the battery that she didn't get. they of course argued about so i said see you in court if we don't the money by Wed. She got most of her money back but they still wanted to charge for pulling the fuse. The manager said that the 100 MA was causing the battery to go dead. Yea! in a year maybe.
Sometime it pays to have a second look before having any work done.
Walt

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Nancy Howell

04-08-2008 09:17:18




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to Walt davies, 04-08-2008 08:54:37  
I had a similar problem with my 96 Chevy p/u. Disconnected the light that comes on when you open the hood. No more problems. BTW, light wasn"t coming on and staying on, but disconnecting it did end the problem.



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Goose

04-08-2008 06:31:34




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
The temperature went wacky on a Pontiac mini van with the no-account 3.4 engine we used to own. To get an opinion, I went to the Service Dept. at the Chevy dealer we usually dealt with. The Service Manager right away said on the 3.4 it would be the head gaskets failed and estimated $1500 to replace them. UNLESS one or both of the heads were cracked, then it would be an extra several hundred dollars more per head.

I said I need a second opinion and went to an independent shop I've also dealt with. They found the radiator cap wouldn't hold pressure. An $8.00 radiator cap is a bit different from a head gasket job.

I don't want to burn bridges with that Chevy dealer because I have a good deal going with the Parts Dept. and one of the salesmen is an old friend, but I discreetly no longer have anything to do with the Service Dept.

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Kentb of SWMO

04-08-2008 06:28:43




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
I ran into something like this at a Ford car dealer. It turned out the service manager was NOT a mechanic. He is a MANAGER.

Kent



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RodInNS

04-08-2008 05:51:09




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
Sucks to be him... Mabey he learned something?



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onefarmer

04-08-2008 05:49:09




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
Service Manager needs to eat it since it would have taken less than 15 min to verify a bearing. Just drop the pan and have a look. Do they still have the old engine?



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Bellyacre

04-08-2008 05:24:18




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
BTDT - Service manager says 8000-10000 overhaul, mechanic (friend) sent him back to his office, put in head gasket, $1000 later life is good



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El Toro

04-08-2008 03:54:08




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
Sounds like a rip off. Hal



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Allan In NE

04-08-2008 02:58:33




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
Again, totally inexcusable.

Have seen this time and again.

When the service manager takes it upon himself to do the diagnosing for the mechanic, it is ALWAYS a train wreck. Every blessed time.

The mechanic at that point simply does not care any more. He is frustrated and could care even less as to the real problem.

If the boss says to put a motor in it, he'll put a motor in it just to prove a point/to prove the service manage a fool. He will then stand back and smile to himself when the noise "reappears" after spending thousands of dollars at the service manager’s bidding.

Stand your ground. You agreed to pay for one repair; not someone's education.

Allan

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the tractor vet

04-07-2008 21:41:09




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
Oh yea , i have seen and heard this alot over the years, Last week one of my old customers calls and tell me that he has a problem with his 966 . Said he called the dealer and talked to the service manager as while he was servicen the tractor to get ready for spring you know changing oil filters checking this and that he finds OIL IN the rad. they tell him that oh man that engine needs to be tore down and this and that needs done and we can send the truck out the first of the week to get it and your looken at 5000 maybe 6 grand in work . Ah good for the dealer ship not good for poor farmer . He then calls me and asked what he should do as he is a little short on that kind of money wright now and if it needs done was there any way that i could do it at his place and he would pay me over time . Told him do you know how to remove four bolts and clean gskts he said yea why i said that all ya need is a new OIL COOLER . But if he ran into problems i would come out . Lets see here new oil cooler just a wisker over 400 bucks done at home or let the dealer flim flam ya for 6000 , ah you make the choise.

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e

04-07-2008 21:03:34




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
Did they ever take the pan off the original engine to verify the rod bearing was actually bad? If not, big time foo on them. If your engine didn't have that many hours on it and is still healthy, at a minimum, they should reinstall it for free. If it was getting tired but still not completely worn out, you have some very leverage to negotiate a good deal.



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msb

04-07-2008 20:55:19




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
You mean they didn't even pull the pan to confirm the diagnosis? I can't believe anyone would be that negligent.



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Old Roy agiin

04-07-2008 20:32:00




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 Re: Dealer service dept-horror story in reply to cornfarmer, 04-07-2008 20:08:49  
That sounds like a big mess of bad judgement. I definitely would have him pay for some of it.



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