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OT: mailboxes (heavy duty)

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Gun guru

04-07-2008 17:10:20




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One of my neighbors has built a super duty mail box stand for 5 boxes (5 home owners me included.) This structure is 800 pounds of heavy steel tube, channel iron and cemented into the ground, 2 feet from the road. My concerns are that if someone runs into this structure are we all liable for damages or even if someone is killed? I emailed my insurance agent to get his opinion, I am waiting. Has anyone on this site built a massive steel or all brick mailbox? I brought this up to my other neighbors and they dont really care about the risks because in their eyes a person should only be driving 25MPH anyway and anyone who wrecks their car is S.O.L. I will likely take my box with my address off of the steel structure due to the risks to me. If my insurance agent says your home owners insurance is cancelled or raised I will take my mailbox off. BTW: I have a PO box anyway for the mail and the box is a just incase someone doesnt know my PO box. Give me some opinions here.

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ktheo1

04-08-2008 07:38:05




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
Don't know where you are located but where I live mail boxes located on public right-of -way are required to be break away .The TWP. road commissioner will have you remove them if they are not.



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greygoat

04-08-2008 07:08:11




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
Hey Bruce Hopf ! How far is it to the Post Office?
How many round trips per week, do you make?
What does it cost, in gas, to go to town, when
the mail could be delivered to your driveway?
Not trying to be sarcastic, just curious. We have
a friend who drives 5 miles, 1 way, to the Post Office 6 days a week (60 miles) and there is a mailbox right in front of her rural home. She won't say why, scared that mail will be stolen,
I guess.

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Nancy Howell

04-08-2008 06:49:41




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
Background for my opinion - I have 4 horses. Legally horses are what is called an "attractive nuisance". There have been dozens and dozens of cases across the US where some fool has climbed or gone through a fence to "see the horsies", gotten hurt and successfully sued the owner. If people can do that, they will sue over a "car proof" mail box stand. My 2 cents, don't put up a "car proof" mail box. A new box is much cheaper than a lawsuit even if you win.

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04-08-2008 05:19:49




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
Not to far from me , there is a new road. Speed limit is 30 MPH. All Mail boxes are recessed in 36" x 36" x 50" high brick coulum next to road. It caught my attention , due to always hearing about this liability issue you're talking about. My mailbox is on a 55 MPH high way , and will pivot if hit.



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2x4

04-08-2008 01:10:23




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
State repaved & widened highway couple years ago & took out all our mailboxes & posts & replaced the post with break-easy wood & put boxes back on it, without our knowledge or permission or warning they were going to do it. At the expense of the paving contractor which was part of his contract. Neighbor has a solid pipe & they were going to uproot & replace it but he made them stop. Anyone who caught them could stop them. was a U. S. highway. If they ever widen that highway, they will want to remove that 5-box stand.

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dlplost

04-07-2008 22:48:05




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
My mailbox sits on 6" well casing set in 1/2 yard of concrete. Last guy that ran into it destroyed the entire front pass side of his car, he stopped about 100 yards down the road. Speed limit here is 55. Took the front wheel off spindle and all. He paid me $25 for the box he destroyed.
Nothing was ever said about the mounting of my box. It was undamaged.....



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RodInNS

04-07-2008 21:20:53




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
So is the power utility at fault when some twit runs a pole down, or the county when they hit a guard rail post.... or the state when the hit a concrete median on a highway???
I think if they hit your mailbox, they should buy you a new mailbox.

See what your insurance agent says.

Rod



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MarkB_MI

04-08-2008 03:31:51




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to RodInNS, 04-07-2008 21:20:53  
Rod, I don't know how it is in your neck of the woods, but here in the US pretty much anything built close to a highway is "breakaway". Or else it's protected by some sort of barrier that will cushion any impact.

The concrete barriers in the median are designed so if a car hits one it will be steered back into the highway. I remember driving down the 405 in LA and seeing a car hit the barrier. He went up on two wheels for a long ways, the came back down just fine. (Except maybe for his pants, that is.)

I've had to put my mailbox back up a couple of times, both times from vandalism. And the speed limit on my street is 35 mph. But I'm not going to put up something that might kill some drunk kid if he slams into it at high speed.

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Leland

04-07-2008 20:19:38




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
At one time the rules read I think the box has to be mounted on a break away post no larger than 1 1/2 inches but they won't enforce the rule unless a postal employee has an accident and is injuried by your box .and then they probley would come after you for money



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Tim in OR

04-07-2008 20:19:22




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
My mailbox post is a crankshaft from a 350 cummins setting in a 2' piece of steam pipe. The connecting rod holds the mailboxout twords the street. The box is mounted above the piston. Its all kinda heavy. To get past the idea of it being a hazzard, I put the post back from where the neighbors is. The car would have to go thru theirs first to get to mine.
15 years so far, and it only got moved for the house movers once.
Tim in OR

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Mark - IN.

04-07-2008 20:07:58




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
I guess that's a tough one. See what the insurance guy has to say, I guess. I've thought of replacing mine with a rounded concrete pillar like mark that property corners, but they set off of the road about 10'. Using (forming) one for a mailbox would be up at the road, and I've had the same concerns in Indiana that if I do that and someone hits it hard, would I become liable? But, I'm pretty rural, and my road was dirt until recently when a politically connected guy down the road got the county to chip and seal it. Now what few vehicals do come down the road go faster than they used to on dirt, but pretty much slow though, like 20 or 25. If they're behind me, its about 10. My bigger concern is if the snow plow guy hits it and tilts it over, then I'll have to dig down 4' or so to straighten out a 1.5' diameter concrete column. Would it be worth it? I don't know. And no one has ever damaged the angle iron one I have, so...?

Something to concider, is that even those big light posts on streets and the interstates are designed to sheer off for a reason. Your neighbor means well, don't anger him. Don't get into trouble. Whatever your insurance guy says, I guess.

I wish that guy down my road didn't get us chip and sealed (quasi-paved). Heck, with the oil poured and built up and packed down in front of the houses on my road over the years, it served as black top to cut down on dust by the houses, and almost no one that didn't live down our dirt road didn't wander down it. Now we have some wanderers. Not many, but some. Dang that guy. If he wanted asphalt he should've moved into or nearer town. I cut him slack though. He's generally a nice guy and still works his AC-WD and an Oliver 60. I still wish he hadn't done that though.

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fixerupper

04-07-2008 19:20:46




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
In our county some people were putting up rock solid mailboxes because they were tired of the snowplow knocking them down. The county got after them because the county claims it's liable if someone gets hurt hitting a super strong mailbox that's on the right-of-way.Jim



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JoshuaGA

04-07-2008 19:01:26




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
Our postmaster sent us a card the other day saying we had to move our mail box closer to the road, REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT IT IS WHERE IT IS DUE TO SAFETY AND LIABILITY CONCERNS. The previous postmaster told us to put it there 20+ years ago, and no one complains except the sadurday mail carrier who doesn't believe she should have to back out of our drive. We hav equipment going down the road everyday, that post is buried 4' in the ground, and there is simply no shoulder to place our mailbox on. I do Nooooothing.

JoshuaGA

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MarkB_MI

04-07-2008 17:51:37




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
If your mail box is two feet off the road, I have to assume that it's in the right of way. Liability aside, I would feel pretty bad if someone was killed when they ran into something that I built next to the road.

Building a overly heavy mail box is no guarantee it won't get wrecked just the same. My neighbor has one made of bricks and set in concrete. Someone ran into it last winter and knocked it over. That was a big job to repair; if somebody knocks down my wooden post it's a half hour job to fix (after I get done cussing).

Many years ago in my home town, the city got tired of kids driving into the cemetery and wrecking their cars. (The cemetery was at the end of a dead-end road.) They set a piece of well casing in concrete in the middle of the road and ran a locked chain accross the entrance. A car driven by an out-of-town kid (who didn't know about the dead end or the gate) slammed into the post at high speed, literally cutting the car in half. As I recall, two kids were killed and a third was seriously injured.

If the mailbox is on a county road, I think I'd call the county road commision and see what they say. The Oakland County Road Commission has a web page on this subject.

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Gun guru

04-08-2008 12:32:33




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to MarkB_MI, 04-07-2008 17:51:37  
Thanks for the info, I live on dirt road, not a main road, but people mostly go 35-40MPH. I read the road comm. info, And I guess that if they make us take it down then fine. My ins. agent emailed me back and he says he doesnt care about the boxes but I have $1 million in coverage for the ambulance chasing crap, So.....It looks like the road comm. will be the ones to tell us to take it down.

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Bruce Hopf

04-07-2008 17:46:45




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
I personaly would take the mailbox off the post, if you already have a postoffice box. I went and got myself a postoffice box,because I got sick and tired of putting up a new one after some kids tried to take a bat to it. I diddn't have to change my address to get my mail. Also the mail system is going to change in my area. My mail box would have to be moved to the conncession, with a pull off for the postee to get their vehicle off the travelled portion of the road. I was going to cost me over $1,000.00 to do it, and I supplied the labour, fill, and gravel to widen the road. And don't forget the building permit to do the job. I said keep my mail at the post office. If somthing goes wrong with the mailbox, I don't have to fix, or replace it, and I don't have to worry about a mail box post either. I took my loader tractor, and ripped it out. Solved that problem. $100.00 per year. Lots cheaper this way, for me any way. Other way 3 mailboxes in 2 years. Moveing the post to fit their needs. Forget it. I go to town twice a week any way.
Bruce.

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Don L C

04-07-2008 17:39:20




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
Gun guru ---

In the state of Ohio, Butler County you could be held liable if someone hit this mailbox post.....

They could hold all seven liable..... = a large settlement....

Since you have a PO BOX why dont you put your house number on your house, under a light....dont put up a box.....

Explane to the other 6 you dont need a spot, because of your PO BOX.....walk soft, good luck.....Don



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Lanse

04-07-2008 18:45:09




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Don L C, 04-07-2008 17:39:20  
wow, youre right next door to us here in montgomery county. I would just come up with some system in which you could replace a post really easily. OR, you could come up with a weak structure that would crumble if hit by a car, but deflect bats and pipes, and 2x4s



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phillip d

04-07-2008 17:32:15




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
I can only assume the super duper mailer stooker is in reply for the young fellas who are trying out for the major ball clubs?Believe me,if it looks super tough,they will see it as a challenge,and sooner or later,they will plan and find a way to take that box dowwwww wnn.Be it a heavy bunk chain fastened to the tow hitch of daddy's Cummings Ram and a bit of tire squealing or a few short jerks of the chain.It will happen,and if the @$$ holes get hurt in the process,I just hope you have insurance,juuuust in case.pd.

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MN Scott

04-07-2008 17:29:59




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
I'd pull your box off just to be safe. You are liable for items in a road right away. If someone runs into it and gets hurt or killed you can bet a lawyer will have someone in court. Even if you did not place it there you have your mail box on it.



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NE IA

04-07-2008 17:15:43




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Gun guru, 04-07-2008 17:10:20  
A precast concrete company was told to stop production for the same concerns you have, This was in Iowa.



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Larry D.

04-07-2008 17:24:43




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to NE IA, 04-07-2008 17:15:43  
Well... I have Two Massive Columns on Each Side of My driveway, When I built them, The Road was Dirt, Now it's paved and the road is about Ten Ft away from them Now, But I've never had a "Peep" out of My Insurance Co, I hear as of late that they May frown on them,BTY If anyOne hits them, They will need a WRECKER.. I personally wouldn't worry about it, Anyone that wants to SUE will find something to complain about My 2$ worth..Larry KF4LKU

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Boley

04-07-2008 19:57:03




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 Re: OT: mailboxes (heavy duty) in reply to Larry D., 04-07-2008 17:24:43  
After having five mailboxes destroyed by vandals in a single year,I don't mean banged up,they were beat into a condition where they wouldn't hold mail.I built one that looks like the standard mail box out of a piece of pipe to form the top and 3/16ths plate for the sides,door and bottom,even the flag.Then welded it to a heavy gauge 4x4 square tubing post.The punks have tried all their little imaginations could come up with for five years,so far dinging the paint with ball bats,(that must have stung),hitting it with a full garbage can thrown from a truck which did knock it a little out of plumb,and one bombing attempt that resulted in it stinking for a few days.I worry that someone might be injured by it in an accident which I hope never happens,I've kept exhibits for my defense in the form of flattened mailboxes.

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