Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Tractor Talk Discussion Forum

OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help!

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Pappy

03-25-2008 19:27:56




Report to Moderator

Today, I was checking the IRS web-site and learned that in order to receive the Econonic Stimulus Payment, you must file a tax return for 2007, even though you would not normally be required to file one. (1040A) I got to checking and found two elderly relatives that live basically on Social Security and are not required to file a return. I contacted them and they were unaware of the requirement. I am helping them get the 1040A filed.

If you have relatives, neighbors or others that may fall into this category, please consider helping them qualify.

This requirement applies to veterans and others who receive pensions, but do not have to file a tax return

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
oliver power

03-26-2008 19:26:49




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
Does this sound fair? I work many many hours. Quite often 6 and 7 days per week , just to make ends meet. On the upper end of this economic stimulus program , if a person grosses more than the upper limit , they don"t get a check. I most likely will not get anything because I gross more. This program should go by net pay , not gross pay.I agree with the post below. The goverment is fishing , trying to figure out how many non tax paying people are out there.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
old

03-26-2008 19:41:35




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to oliver power, 03-26-2008 19:26:49  
Or is it that they are looking for/at the people that live well under the poverty level and figure they need the help a lot more then the ones that live on say $50,000 a year and have 3 people in the house. I know I live on less then $1500 a month and did work hard till the doctor said I could not any more. I also got screwed by S.S. because it took 5 years to win my claim and that lost me 2.5 years of back pay and $2500 in lawyer fees to boot

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
oliver power

03-27-2008 03:35:38




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to old, 03-26-2008 19:41:35  
I just don't know Rich. If they were,nt sticking it to us so bad in the first place , the economy wouldn't be in this shape.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
old

03-27-2008 08:30:01




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to oliver power, 03-27-2008 03:35:38  
Very true its greed that has got us to this point. Record profits in a good number of company's is wrong and because of that its getting hard for an honest man to make it. If they would stop paying CEOs the big bucks maybe they would not steal so much. LOL. But of course if the president and congress payed into S.S. like us poor people they would maybe change the way S.S. worked

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
dave guest

03-26-2008 19:18:33




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
This money is only a loan. It is an advance on your 2008 refund. Its your money.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Ch0ck430C

03-26-2008 10:20:29




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
bla bla



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
steve in in

03-26-2008 10:18:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
My Dad wasn't going to get any of the money because he had already filed his return and gotten his rebate. He made less than $3000 last year.

I said, "Didn't you get paid cash for painting someone's house?" I told him he needed to turn that in by filing an amended return.

He did as I said and ended up owing the state about $60, but he has several hundred more coming back from the IRS and $900 from the economic stimulus package. He has a wife and a dependent, thus he will receive $900.

He was pretty happy with my advice. It should net him about $1500.

The point is, if anyone falls below the threshold, they should consider other income that they may not have thought about. You know, the under the counter kind. In the end, you might get more money back than you thought and you will be legal.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
steve in in

03-26-2008 13:58:23




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to steve in in, 03-26-2008 10:18:51  
I just knew it was something he probably didn't turn in. He didn't have to file a tax return and was probably at the threshold anyway. He is not on welfare. He never has been. He is retired. He has paid his dues.

It was something I thought about. He probably retired way to early, which is what I thought when he said he was going to.

But your saying that him being legal, is rotten and welfare fraud? Hardly. If anything, it should teach him to turn in any income he receives. He had turned in other income, but it was below the $3000 cut-off.

This actually was something that was argued about a lot. The people most likely to spend it, folks like my Dad who are living pretty much on fixed incomes with very little income at all, will not get the money. The arguement being that they don't pay taxes, so why should they get money. To that, I guess you could call it welfare. They could have called it that anyway.

Myself, I think it is a big steaming pile of dog doo and will only serve to weaken the economy further by driving up inflation. Its not like the US has that money somewhere hidden to give out. They are pretty much printing it out, to give it out. But it gets the politicians re-elected by those who don't take the time to look at what is really going on.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

The check we get will go into three 529 plans, much to the chagrin of the politicians.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dr. Pap Smear

03-26-2008 12:36:01




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to steve in in, 03-26-2008 10:18:51  
Oh wow! Your bum old man was cheating the government by working for cash but then when he realized he could get a nice hand out he took your advise and decided to report it after the fact and after he already got a rebate for more than he paid in! Looks like the rotten apple didn't fall too far from the tree there. Do you have a job or are you a professional welfare adviser?

Pappy



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
steve in in

03-26-2008 14:12:59




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Dr. Pap Smear, 03-26-2008 12:36:01  
See my reply above.

But, what made me question it was my Dad telling me he wasn't going to get esp payment. I knew he had screwed up, because I knew roughly what his income was, outside of retirement checks. I have no idea what he receives via his company retirement account.

That is, I knew he made slightly more than the $3000 cut-off, just because I knew he held a part time (occasional) job. That, and the house painting job. I don't know what he got as a tax return. I do know, if I deserve it and you deserve it, then anyone else out there probably deserves it. (Not that anyone should be getting it)

Oh, yes, I have a job and to tell you the truth, I wouldn't take my own financial advice, so I wouldn't expect anyone else to take it either.

But you could go through all my tax returns, if you wanted and you wouldn't find any problems, other than wondering why I don't have much as far as investment income. Probably cause my wife likes to stimulate the economy every month with our credit cards. That, and my tractor habit.

I sleep well at night too.

Steve "rotten to the core"

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
ChOck430-c

03-26-2008 10:37:31




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to steve in in, 03-26-2008 10:18:51  
How do you define cheating???



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
ChOck430-c

03-26-2008 20:37:35




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to ChOck430-c, 03-26-2008 10:37:31  
blaaaaa aaaaa



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
davediehl@hotmail.com

03-26-2008 13:25:43




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to ChOck430-c, 03-26-2008 10:37:31  
So how's the weather in TN.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
davediehl@hotmail.com

03-26-2008 09:30:39




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
Here's reality:

80% will go to pay late bills. Meaning the electricity will be on for another couple months.

15% will goto Wal-Mart to buy items. Meaning the money is going to China.

5% will save it to spend another day. When China needs it.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
davediehl@hotmail.com

03-26-2008 10:05:00




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Ch0ck430C, 03-26-2008 09:47:58  
Seems pretty funny that you are the same person as the trucker four o. and not four zero. When you gonna get a hobby? Poor troll.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
wfw

03-26-2008 09:04:00




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
Three biggest lies ever told

1 not tonight honey, I have a headache

2 the check is in the mail

3 hi, I'm from the government and I am here to help you.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
unioncreek

03-26-2008 08:16:34




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
I know a couple accountants that say the way they understand this is the money you will get is actually a cash advance on your 2008 tax return. So if you own money in 2008 you will also have to repay the money you get in May.

Bob



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JMS/.MN

03-26-2008 10:29:25




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to unioncreek, 03-26-2008 08:16:34  
Maybe it"s time to get a real "accountant". One who understands the program, and does not fill out forms in crayon.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
davediehl@hotmail.com

03-26-2008 08:25:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to unioncreek, 03-26-2008 08:16:34  
This is non taxable for 2008. Its not a loan or anything like it. The IRS sent a paper to persons who filed a 2007 tax return just a week ago. It has the information on it similar to the web site below.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Nancy Howell

03-26-2008 08:02:08




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
We got a notice from the IRS regarding this. You could actually understand what it said. It contained instructions (also easy to understand) and a 1040A. Payments will begin going out in May. Do I trust the government? You have to be kidding!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
CaseChev

03-26-2008 07:27:49




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
This is one of the dirty little secrets of the "stimulus" package. It is going to give the Federal Government a new database of who's really out there that for whatever reason have not been filing income taxes.

Trust me, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you and give you money.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Texasmark

03-26-2008 06:54:37




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
I started paying my SS taxes at the age of 12 and continued the rest of my life. Now I am starting to get some of MY money back, course I get to pay more taxes on MY already earned money that I didn"t receive, since I have additional income.

On those on SS without additional income over the minimum number, surely there is a stipulation in the package as to being able to receive it when you are not required to file a 1040 under the IRS code. I would surely check it out. Maybe you just file one this year just to qualify even though you will just be going through the motions.

I have already received my notice indicating what you said about having to file this year. Interesting that it came from the IRS. I think I like that.....using taxpayers (including retired taxpayers on SS) as a basis for the handout. Gives it some accountability as to who deserves it...if you get the gist.

Course you know as well as I that it IS income and as such there will be a special line on the 2008 1040 to record it since it isn"t wages.

Mark

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
trucker 40

03-26-2008 05:03:32




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
so I have to work my butt off to pay taxes and now people that don't even pay taxes want a refund?

Get to work you lazy welfare sucking bums.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
trucker40

03-26-2008 08:30:34




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to trucker 40, 03-26-2008 05:03:32  
I dont know who you are,but you have stolen my handle.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
T_Bone

03-26-2008 12:52:21




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to trucker40, 03-26-2008 08:30:34  
Hi trucker40,

send me a email!

T_Bone



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
NC Wayne

03-26-2008 06:41:02




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to trucker 40, 03-26-2008 05:03:32  
I hope your joking here. The "welfare sucking bums" your talking about are those people that were already working their a$$es off paying taxes when you were probably still in diapers and now are in their later years and deserve to take life easy for a change. America, one of the few countries in the world where no one seems to respect the elderly....



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
trucker 4O

03-26-2008 12:16:44




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to NC Wayne, 03-26-2008 06:41:02  
You sound like a women to me, all emotion and no fact. Who exactly "deserves" to steal my tax dollars and who doesn't? Have you taken in old folks in the past then or have you no "respect" for them?

trucker 4O



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rod Stryker

03-26-2008 12:11:29




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to NC Wayne, 03-26-2008 06:41:02  
Did those people have to pay for the generation before them? Didn't think so. It amazes me to see how loserzzz like you can justify theft in the form of wealth distribution. Write a check out to the old folks home if it's your moral obligation dummy. My parents are both retiring as of this spring and have saved for their retirement I assume you'll be mailing them a check to big mouth.

Rod Stryker

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
David in Missouri

03-26-2008 09:44:24




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to NC Wayne, 03-26-2008 06:41:02  
We didn't pay squat for SS in the 50's 60's and early 70's. Didn't become a burden until the late 70's..... .remember Claude Pepper from Florida? The average SS recipient gets back ALL the money they paid in with interest (at Gov't bond rates) within 48 months. My Dad's been getting it for 27 years now and he thinks that he's just been lucky!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
trucker40

03-26-2008 08:42:12




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to NC Wayne, 03-26-2008 06:41:02  
Thats not the real trucker 40.He is trying to cause trouble.I have a password and he gets my handle now how can he do that? The real trucker 40 says this,I dont care what somebody gets from the government as long as they are American citizens.Also I dont see what difference it makes to some sneaking jerk that try and steal identitys.What do you think,that you wont get caught?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Nolan (foxtrapper)

03-26-2008 11:48:31




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to trucker40, 03-26-2008 08:42:12  
trucker40
trucker 40

That's how he's getting around it.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
trucker4o

03-26-2008 09:38:11




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to trucker40, 03-26-2008 08:42:12  
You don't know what you are talking about. You are a conspiracy theory nutcase. Did you hurt your head trying to crash through the glass ceiling?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
GeorgeH

03-26-2008 08:51:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to trucker40, 03-26-2008 08:42:12  
Notice there is a space in front of his "40". That makes his handle different than yours.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
trucker40

03-26-2008 14:34:42




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to GeorgeH, 03-26-2008 08:51:53  
Yeah I see how he is doing it,thanks.
I am a conspiracy theory nutcase?Well I dont really care what you think.
I want everybody to know that I put stuff on here to try and help people with welding and working on motors.I dont get on here to get into a bunch of arguments,but I have a short enough temper to argue with you.
Some of these people only get on here to argue,and stir stuff up.Usually its how bad that somebody is for getting social security or something.What difference does it make to them is what I dont get.I think they must be mad because thats just more that they can steal form people maybe.I dont now or never did claim to be the authority some on here claim to be.I have my opinion and dont mind telling you about it.If you are a nut case and believe all this that you put on here,thats sad.You can always go someplace like China or somewhere and get on with your life.Dont live over here all miserable because you just hate it that some people get social security,just go somewhere else. Like I said I dont care what you,or anybody else thinks.I made up my mind a long time ago,and You are not going to get on the internet,or anywhere else and change my mind about anything. You think that you are bad by putting stuff on the internet?You think that its funny?You think by making people mad that you have done something?Kansas had a song"Dust in the Wind".Thats all you are.Your life is about like a coffee break in the grand scheme of things. I doubt that anything I say would get through to you.If it does you are a lot better off trying to help others out than tear them down.It just is more rewarding.If all you are is full of hate,you will end up paying for it.Theres another song by the Beatles that says the amount of what you get is equal to the amount of what you give. It makes no difference who you are,if you climb up on that hill and think you are the king,some body will knock you off of it. You are real impressed with yourself with knowledge you think you have,but its worthless.It is all propaganda.Most of it is easy to prove wrong.So why dont you shut up,and speak when you are spoken to.Your opinion is worthless unless you want to start an argument.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
John (C-IL)

03-25-2008 20:01:59




Report to Moderator
 Re: OT Economic Stimulus Payment for Pensioners-Help! in reply to Pappy, 03-25-2008 19:27:56  
Good point pappy. Everyone be sure to check on your parents, grandparents and aunts and uncles.

It's a simple thing to do, and there is an information packet that explains what the non filer has to do to get their payment.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy