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Case-IH MXU125 versus NH 8360

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in-too-deep

03-11-2008 15:41:14




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Looking to replace the NH with a used MXU125 for 150 cow chores and a few hundred acres hay.

How will the fuel efficiency of the two tractors compare? Nebraska tests didn't have the 8360 listed. Both have MFWD.

They're asking $49K for the 2004 MXU with 2,985 hours. In very good condition with good rubber 85%. Plastic still on the seat.

What kind of trade-in value can be expected on the NH 8360? 3,462 hours, nearly new tires, hood paint faded, cab in excellent shape.

Also, what will it take to move the Quicke loader from the NH to the new MXU if the deal goes through? Any new brackets or hydraulic components?

Any input on trade-in stuff or experience with the MXU would be greatly appreciated. Thanks folks!

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RodInNS

03-12-2008 05:46:49




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 Re: Case-IH MXU125 versus NH 8360 in reply to in-too-deep, 03-11-2008 15:41:14  
If fuel efficiency is what you're after, then you more than likely already have it...
I'm not right up on the newer tractors but the red one you're looking at is mostly a newer version of your 8360 component wise. At some point they went to the new Cummins engine, and from what I understand, fuel efficiency either went sideways or down...
There have been very few engines that have improved on the Genesis engines for mid speed to full load fuel efficiency. Some have done it at full power but lose it at mid-speeds... Without looking at the test for the 8360 I'd say that it's in the high 17's per hp-hr/gal, about the same today on the new ones.

Rod

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in-too-deep

03-12-2008 06:32:57




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 Re: Case-IH MXU125 versus NH 8360 in reply to RodInNS, 03-12-2008 05:46:49  
Kinda what I was thinking too. Only 6 years newer - can't be that much of an improvement. Thank you for the reply, Rod.



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Bill(Wis)

03-11-2008 18:45:39




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 Re: Case-IH MXU125 versus NH 8360 in reply to in-too-deep, 03-11-2008 15:41:14  
Case has a tractor/loader deal now thru the end of March. I was offered a Maxxum 110 MFWD w/factory loader & cab plus some extra stuff, radio, eng/trans htr, etc. for $55,000. That's brand new. That's the new version of the MXU. Thing dynos out at 120+. Tempting.



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in-too-deep

03-12-2008 06:31:45




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 Re: Case-IH MXU125 versus NH 8360 in reply to Bill(Wis), 03-11-2008 18:45:39  
Wow. Cheap.



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JoshuaGA

03-11-2008 17:15:40




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 Re: Case-IH MXU125 versus NH 8360 in reply to in-too-deep, 03-11-2008 15:41:14  
Opps, sorry on the double post.

Like I said, these are only mu observations. I hope you can find what you are looking for.

JoshuaGA



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JoshuaGA

03-11-2008 17:13:07




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 Re: Case-IH MXU125 versus NH 8360 in reply to in-too-deep, 03-11-2008 15:41:14  
Can't help you too much here. I've been wondering the same about those tractors. Local dealer has a MXU115 Cab 4WD Flange axles on the lot, Lease return (Less than 1000 Hours), Suspect $50K to $55K cash deal.
I'm concerned over longevity. The tractors themselves is what I like. Mechanical motors, good proven transmissions, Hand controls on the 3PH W/Raise Lower switch, Electrohydraulic PTO, heavy duty drawbar support, and comfortable, very roomy cab. My concern with it however, lies in it's size. It appears to be a utility frame, and I'm afraid of overstressing it and breaking vital components. We currently own a Massey Ferguson 399, which in my opinion is nothing more than junk in heavy tillage. It simply does not perform in ripping, chiseling, or heavy harrowing land. It was built for light duty tillage, planting, spraying, and the PTO. Both rear axles were broke in it. Part of the reason for failure was putting duals on it, the extra traction didn't allow the wheels to slip when it needed to to save itself. Loud crack, pull to one side, and a sinking feeling in the gut. The drivetrains won't stand the stress. Thats my same fear with the MXU. If you are planning any heavy tillage, I hope you have another tractor. Myself, I wouldn't want that frame for that reason. A bigger frame in a near sized tractor should give better service in tillage.

If hay is your main concern (and I expect it is), It should be a good tractor for you. As I said, I expect the PTO to be the strong suit of these tractors. Should also be a good tractor to feed with. Being a smaller framed tractor, usually utility sized tractors are mor efficient in lighter work, and less efficient in heavier work.

I would be almost positive the loader brackets, if not the whole loader, would have to be replaced. I believe the frames are different. If it was an MXM, you would have no problems remounting.

Trade in, from what I see and hear, seems to bee half of retail, but in this market, it may have changed. I would suspect yours is worth between $30,000 and $40,000 dollars. Check a few tractor websites for some prices.

Just curious, do you own a lemon or something. I just don't see any benefit in your trade except 500 hours in favor of the Case. Any real reason or is this just a personal thing?

HTH

JoshuaGA

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JoshuaGA

03-11-2008 16:25:34




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 Re: Case-IH MXU125 versus NH 8360 in reply to in-too-deep, 03-11-2008 15:41:14  
Can't help you too much here. I've been wondering the same about those tractors. Local dealer has a MXU115 Cab 4WD Flange axles on the lot, Lease return (Less than 1000 Hours), Suspect $50K to $55K cash deal.
I'm concerned over longevity. The tractors themselves is what I like. Mechanical motors, good proven transmissions, Hand controls on the 3PH W/Raise Lower switch, Electrohydraulic PTO, heavy duty drawbar support, and comfortable, very roomy cab. My concern with it however, lies in it's size. It appears to be a utility frame, and I'm afraid of overstressing it and breaking vital components. We currently own a Massey Ferguson 399, which in my opinion is nothing more than junk in heavy tillage. It simply does not perform in ripping, chiseling, or heavy harrowing land. It was built for light duty tillage, planting, spraying, and the PTO. Both rear axles were broke in it. Part of the reason for failure was putting duals on it, the extra traction didn't allow the wheels to slip when it needed to to save itself. Loud crack, pull to one side, and a sinking feeling in the gut. The drivetrains won't stand the stress. Thats my same fear with the MXU. If you are planning any heavy tillage, I hope you have another tractor. Myself, I wouldn't want that frame for that reason. A bigger frame in a near sized tractor should give better service in tillage.

If hay is your main concern (and I expect it is), It should be a good tractor for you. As I said, I expect the PTO to be the strong suit of these tractors. Should also be a good tractor to feed with. Being a smaller framed tractor, usually utility sized tractors are mor efficient in lighter work, and less efficient in heavier work.

I would be almost positive the loader brackets, if not the whole loader, would have to be replaced. I believe the frames are different. If it was an MXM, you would have no problems remounting.

Trade in, from what I see and hear, seems to bee half of retail, but in this market, it may have changed. I would suspect yours is worth between $30,000 and $40,000 dollars. Check a few tractor websites for some prices.

Just curious, do you own a lemon or something. I just don't see any benefit in your trade except 500 hours in favor of the Case. Any real reason or is this just a personal thing?

HTH

JoshuaGA

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in-too-deep

03-11-2008 16:40:12




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 Re: Case-IH MXU125 versus NH 8360 in reply to JoshuaGA, 03-11-2008 16:25:34  
No heavy tillage for this tractor...if we do turn over some hayfields it'll probably be done with the older IH's.

Unfortunate on the loader switch. Might be a deal breaker.

We were mostly looking for increased fuel efficiency with a newer tractor. Somewhat of a personal thing factors in I suppose, and it never hurts to trade in a tractor while it still has lots of value, too. I'm kind of assisting on this deal, so I don't know a whole lot yet.

Thank you for your opinions. Really do appreciate it!

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Ken Macfarlane

03-13-2008 06:50:55




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 Re: Case-IH MXU125 versus NH 8360 in reply to in-too-deep, 03-11-2008 16:40:12  
Seems like a bit of a lateral move, if you're not having problems I wouldn't risk switching from a known machine to another one with similar hours.

Friend has an 8160 with 8000 hours on it and it has been extremely reliable except lift pumps and one of the power shift pressure sensors. I think he said its had 4 lift pumps over the years.



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