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Tom from Ontari

03-02-2008 18:14:57




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Just got back from a fast vacation in Florida and had a great time, sadly enough, the only tractor I got close to was a VERY tired M.
Question: OK, there are city and town police and State police, but where do the Sheriffs fit in the picture, and/or the Marshals?
Different jurisdictions or different functions or?




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T_Bone

03-04-2008 01:31:09




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
I have a family member that works in a Federal INS prison located with-in city limits.
They state if a prisoner commits a crime in jail (there all illegals) then they call the city cops to have them arrested and detained, then there transported to a county jail to await transportation back to a Federal INS prison that has it's own court system, ie; judges and attorneys on staff, which in this case just happens to be where they commited the crime in the first place!!!

Talk about traveling full circle!

T_Bone

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redleg

03-03-2008 11:49:42




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
Every state is different. Some states, particularly many southern states, the state patrol was enacted with the interstate highway developement and have jurisdiction on highways. They may also provide criminal investigation assistance at the higher level. Other states such as Michigan had state police long before the interstates and are full-service agencies. In Michigan metro areas, they may concentrate on traffic as there are numerous locals in a mtro area, but still have full authority. In some of these states the Sheriff is mostly for jails, court use and civil process with road patrol as secondary. They play a larger roll as primary in the "state patrol" states. In Michigan, you may get either on a rural 911 call. Troopers nromally are under orders not to get involved in civil process unless the state is the victim. Cities have their own (small cities may not always), although state and county have authority, complaints are left to the local agency. A township may opt for police, and the officer would have authority in a portion of a city that lies within the township. Counties may deputise locals for added security or since some smaller dept's. may have to travel outside their jurisdiction to transport to the jail.
Powers of arrest by the state constitution are described in the definition of a "peace officer" Above are considered "peace officer's" A conservation officer in Michigan is also a full peace officer, and generally only assists temporarily in an urgent criminal or medical emergency. Motor Carrier officers (truck cops) ar NOT peace officers and do NOT have full authority, only in limited commercial applications. A village constable would normally enforce local ordinance, unless fully certified as a peace officer. All full time police in Michigan may carry off duty as well as officers from states with reciprocity. The feds are trying to standardize that.

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RayP(MI)

03-03-2008 06:06:03




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Irv (Ia), 03-02-2008 18:14:57  

Tom from Ontario said: (quoted from post at 19:14:57 03/02/08) Just got back from a fast vacation in Florida and had a great time, sadly enough, the only tractor I got close to was a VERY tired M.

Question: OK, there are city and town police and State police, but where do the Sheriffs fit in the picture, and/or the Marshals?

Different jurisdictions or different functions or?


Here in Michigan, most any jurisdiction can hire and have a police department, Township, village, city, etc. Some may have only one part time officer (maybe a officer from another jurisdiction, on his off hours,) up to a complete department with chiefs, officers with titles, and regular patrolmen, detectives, the works. Depends on size of governmental entity and amount of $ available.
Townships can also have a constable which would be an elected position. Constable would have to meet state training and other requirements like any other officer.

Sheriffs are the cheif law enforcement officer for a county, will have deputies under him.
State police are just that - officers hired by the state.

Conservation officers, are state police - with all the powers of a state officer, but hired by the department of conservation to enforce game laws, and some environmental issues. These officers are often called upon to back police from other agencies when needed.

Then there's the "oddballs," like college campus police, and tribal police. (We have an Indian reservation here, their officers are federal marshalls, but serve like local officers.)

Now the interesting thing is how these officers duties overlap. Many of the smaller jurisdictions officers may carry a deputy's badge, and thus don't run out of power at their jurisdiction's border. Often officers are called upon to cross jurisdictional lines to back officers where necessary. Of course, an officer "in hot persuit," any follow you wherever he needs, regardless of borders. Don't know how this plays in national borders. Often if an officer has to cross jurisdictional boundaries to make an arrest he will be accompanied by an officer in the jurisdiction where arrest is made. Often jurisdictions overlap, like a city within a county. We have one small city locally with 5 police agencies within their boundaries - don't know who will show up for your 911 call!

Then there are several Federal police agencies, Federal Marshall's service, FBI, CIA, Bureau of Firearms, & Tobacco, etc. But let.s not go there!

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GA Dave

03-02-2008 20:23:30




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Bruce Hopf, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
The county police patrols roads (among other things) and the sheriff department serves warrents and guards the county courthouse (among other things) Therefore we have a LOT of overlap but that's our government's job security. David.



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GA Dave

03-02-2008 20:13:01




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to TractormanNC, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
John S-B. Remember GUNSMOKE? Marshall Dillion shot people wherever they were. Never mind state or national bounderies. David.



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Mark - IN.

03-03-2008 21:05:16




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to GA Dave, 03-02-2008 20:13:01  
hahahaha. Yep, he sure did, didn't he?



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davediehl@hotmail.com

03-02-2008 20:09:50




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
The "county police" label around here went away in the 70's. Though its the same as a sheriffs department, they took the name of county police away thinking it would confuse people I guess. I think there is only one officer left on our department that still uses the county police collar brass. He's at 37 years on the department this month.



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GA Dave

03-02-2008 20:05:50




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to 730virgil, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
Dave, sandwitch County Police Department in your list. We have them in addition to the County Sheriff. GA DNR has jurisdiction statewide. On or off road. Just not a lot of places to hide around here. David.



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Don L C

03-03-2008 10:53:13




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
....county....



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Bob85355

03-03-2008 08:49:22




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
In Arizona "Peace Officers" are certified by the state. Most have authority to arrest anywhere in the state but that does not include Indian lands. Most police agencies limit their officers to arrests within their geographical area except for felonies. What that amounts to is a county sheriff"s deputy will not normally issue traffic citations within a city nor would a city police officer cite a misdemeanor in another city. But, there are some oddities. Arrest statistics need to be maintained for justifying budgets so you might find a city cop arresting a person at a county jail. Keeps the city stats up and doesn"t tie up a sheriff"s deputy.

There are exceptions to arrest powers. For example, park rangers have powers of arrest within the parks only.

Bob

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Eric SEI

03-03-2008 08:11:55




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
On State Street in West Harrison, IN and Harrison, OH you can be stopped by : The Indiana State Police, the Dearborn County Sheriffs Office, the West Harrison Marshall, the Harrison Police, the Hamilton County Sheriffs Patrol, and the Ohio Highway Patrol. The state line runs down the middle of the street so they share jurisdiction rather than worry about which side of the street you are on.

The post office is on the OH side of the street and has both OH and IN zip codes.

Interestingly, 2 counties north of us, College Corner Elementary (formerly High School) is built on the state line. Every time you fast break you change states, because the state line splits the gym exactly in half.

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RayP(MI)

03-03-2008 07:50:52




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
Here in Michigan, most any jurisdiction can hire and have a police department, Township, village, city, etc. Some may have only one part time officer (maybe a officer from another jurisdiction, on his off hours,) up to a complete department with chiefs, officers with titles, and regular patrolmen, detectives, the works. Depends on size of governmental entity and amount of $ available.

Townships can also have a constable which would be an elected position. Constable would have to meet state training and other requirements like any other officer.

Sheriffs are the chief law enforcement officer for a county, will have deputies under him. Elected.

State police are just that - officers hired by the state. State also has motor carrier officers - state police with duties to enforce trucking rules & regs - full state police powers.

Conservation officers, are state police - with all the powers of a state officer, but hired by the department of conservation to enforce game laws, and some environmental issues. These officers are often called upon to back police from other agencies when needed.

Then there's the "oddballs," like college campus police, and tribal police. (We have an Indian reservation here, their officers are federal marshalls, but serve like local officers.)

Now the interesting thing is how these officers duties overlap. Many of the smaller jurisdictions officers may carry a deputy's badge, and thus don't run out of power at their jurisdiction's border. Often officers are called upon to cross jurisdictional lines to back officers where necessary. Of course, an officer "in hot persuit," any follow you wherever he needs, regardless of borders. Don't know how this plays in national borders. Often if an officer has to cross jurisdictional boundaries to make an arrest he will be accompanied by an officer in the jurisdiction where arrest is made. Often jurisdictions overlap, like a city within a county. We have one small city locally with 5 police agencies within their boundaries - don't know who will show up for your 911 call!

Then there are several Federal police agencies, Federal Marshall's service, FBI, CIA, Bureau of Firearms, & Tobacco, etc. But let.s not go there!

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kyhayman

03-03-2008 06:50:26




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
It really depends on the particular state as to what sheriffs do. In Kentucky the sheriffs are elected by the people within a particular county. Their primary function, under the state constitution is to collect property taxes, serve warrants and act as the enforcement/protection arm of the courts, and to have the constitutional responsibility for law enforcement within that particular county.

With that said, most cities and counties have their own police force which has taken over the law enforcement part of that equation, most but not all. The state police have a state wide law enforcement responsiblity.

As an interesting political tidbit, the only person who can arrest a sheriff in Kentucky (absent a federal warrant) is the county coroner.

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Balatonm

03-03-2008 06:22:25




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
Here in SW MN, the sheriff is the county cop.



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RayP(MI)

03-03-2008 06:10:00




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
See my post on the MODREN VIEW - apparently didn't track over here.



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dr sportster

03-03-2008 05:39:00




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
Sheriffs just transport prisoners.You can speed right by they dont care.No marshalls in my state.State troopers are all highway enforcement.In the U.S.A. we have incarcerated one in a hundred people although the crime rate has remained level for years.Laws keep getting tougher and more people jailed.Cost taxpayers alot of money.Each state is different.Now I know in Canada you all just call that Dudley Durite guy when theres trouble.

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JT

03-03-2008 09:04:10




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to dr sportster, 03-03-2008 05:39:00  
"Sheriffs just transport prisoners.You can speed right by they dont care."

You do that in Illinois and you will get a ticket, the sheriff and deputies are the law in any area not covered by the city cops, the state cops are also everywhere, but they are mainly state highway and interstate enforcers, but can go aywhere they want to go.



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HENRY E NC

03-03-2008 06:42:49




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to dr sportster, 03-03-2008 05:39:00  
You are correct that the prisons hold one outof a hundred but a fact I saw yesterday was that a full 30% of our prisoners are illegal immigrants. So that should make it 1 About 150 citizens are in incarceration facilities Henry



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MF Poor

03-03-2008 05:34:19




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
In Kentucky, from what I know in my limited experience with the law, Sheriff's serve warrants, eviction notices, protect the courthouses, and do general police duties in un-incorporated areas of the counties. Locals handle issues with-in their town/city. State Police handle major crime, state and interstate highway patrol.

It's been explained to me that State Police and Game Warden Officers have almost unlimited jurisdiction. County Officers are supposed to limit activity to their own county, while locals are supposed to remain in their locality. All the while, they ALL have a duty to enforce the laws if they happen upon a crime being commited OR know of a fellow officer needing their assistance outside of their jurisdiction. In some areas, we have constables still, who are there to ALSO serve summons, eveiction papers, and court issued papers.

DOT Officers in Kentucky are part of the State Police.

Federal Marshalls handle cases where interstate crime, federal laws, and issues with US Mail are concerned.

FBI is for capital crime, bank robbery, and kidnapping/murder.

ATF is "the revenuer". Any crimes commited with regard to federally taxed and controled substances or materials. (Liquor, guns and tobacco)

In any event, I have the highest regard and the utmost respect for ALL who wear a badge. They have a tough job with low pay, bad hours, and hostile conditions. I might not always agree with the way a few choose to enforce the laws, but I sure wouldn't want to do without them.

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Jimmy King

03-03-2008 05:18:14




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
Here in Missouri the police chief is hired by city councel, town marshales are elected by the people. either are usually commissioned sheriff depties. the sheriff is elected and is the county police dept. State Highway Patrol is the state police. then we have DOT which only has to do with trucks some SHP officers are DOT cert. though. Then there are Game Wardons sadly they can come into your home or serch your car if they suspect you have illegle game in your house or car, with out a serch warrent.

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trucker40

03-03-2008 07:21:23




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Jimmy King, 03-03-2008 05:18:14  
Thats right except the DOT can put your car out of service if they want to.You just think they only mess with trucks because they always have trucks pulled over,but there are DOTs that go to places where they do inspections,and every now and then do license checks,when they do a license check they check the lights,look your car over.They can depending on what they see make you call a wrecker and haul your car off.

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Mark - IN.

03-03-2008 04:37:54




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
Well, the nearest towns to me have town marshalls, not police chiefs and since I'm out rural in the county, its the sheriff and state police that have jurisdiction. I've seen game wardens have people pulled over and they pretty much can go anywhere in the state. Since 911 and homeland security I've seen other towns police go into other towns as a joint...blur the picture.



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low budget

03-03-2008 04:21:18




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
My neihbor says "Law enforcement is the only growth industry we have left". Lot of truth to it.



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NEsota

03-02-2008 22:14:00




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
The duties of city, county and state officials have a lot of overlap. Counties are always within a state and cities are always with in one or more counties. Within a city any of the three forces could nab you. Federal Marshals, today work mostly with policing the Federal Court trial proceedings



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davediehl@hotmail.com

03-02-2008 18:43:24




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
There are more levels of persons with law enforcement abilities.

Town/Marshal - Commissioned by the small town and usually employs under 5 officers.

City Police - Commissioned by the city mayor and normally have more than 5 officers.

Sheriff - A department that covers an entire county. Typical deparment is more than 20 officers.

State Police - Commissioned by the state government and normally support local agencies.

Excise Police - Carry the ability to enforce liquor laws. They also work in casinos.

DNR/State Parks - Commissioned by the state to enforce fish and wildlife laws.

All of these officers have arrest powers anywhere in the state in which they are commissioned. The "boundaries" of years ago are no longer (at least here). Any of these officers can make an arrest of any type. In fact, all are cross trained in other areas as well.

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doug in illinois

03-03-2008 16:52:01




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 03-02-2008 18:43:24  
Dave, back when I was just a young pup back in Nebraska, each town in my county had either it's own police force, or a village marshall / constable. Sometime back in the 70's it went to county wide law enforcement with the Sherriff department assuming all local village duties also. Not the best idea in the world, the towns near the county lines just don't get patrolled, and if there is a problem you are really better off if there is a State Trooper in the area. When the house burned down Valentine's day, State Patrol was there long before any of the county officers, heck the fire marshall was there before any of the county sheriffs. DOUG

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03-03-2008 00:30:51




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to davediehl@hotmail.com, 03-02-2008 18:43:24  
In Florida in addition to the above mentioned agencies there also are the DNR (Game and Fish fresh water) and the Florida Marine Patrol (Salt Water regulatory) all of whom may arrest you on the road if need be. Also, on the rivers and oceans are the Coast Guard (including any body of water connected to the ocean) with arrest powers. Got to be careful down there. Your main concern if I remember right are the police, constables and Provincial Police. Jack

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noncompos

03-02-2008 18:24:51




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
Man, you must"a been living it up to get collared by all those...(sorry; couldn"t resist).
Out here, we have City police, generally limited to city boundaries, but exceptions exist for hot pursuit, etc.
We don"t have "townships" here as the kind of legal entity like a City or County, but I assume a legal township could hire their own police if they wished, and I would guess their jusisdiction would be limited to their "township".
Sheriffs are generally County Sheriffs, having jurisdiction in their own county.
Marshalls are a whole different specialised bag; I don"t believe OR has any, but there are Federal Marshalls.
I"ve been out of the business so long I"d hate to guess their jurisdictional limits, and, yes, they often argue it themselves, and i"m sure States differ widely (wildly?).

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John S-B

03-02-2008 18:21:00




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to Tom from Ontario, 03-02-2008 18:14:57  
Sherriffs have jurisdiction at the county level. Marshalls are federal police, not sure about the history of the US Marshalls, but they do have a reputation as tough cookies.



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KIP in MX

03-02-2008 22:55:44




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 Re: OT: Police? in reply to John S-B, 03-02-2008 18:21:00  
True.

Rule #1: Try not to tangle with state police.

Rule #2: NEVER tangle with US Marshals, FBI, Customs, or Border Patrol!

Everything else is a crap shoot.



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