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Kent in KC

02-25-2008 07:37:28




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In the Kansas City area we've had one of the coldest and snowiest winters anyone can remember. It has frequently hovered below 20F (unusual) and we've averaged a snowfall every 3.5 days, with no let up in sight.

It ain't global warming gents, it's climate change. It's not just fuel that's going up either, look for electricity - indeed any kind of energy - to go up in price sharply over the new few years. Al commodities and all prices will continue to rise because everything we eat, use, drive, wear or sleep in requires energy to operate,produce, maintain or dispose of.

Last year my wife and I built an active/passive superinsulated house with radiant floor heat (love it) earth cooling tubes (amazed by them) and are looking at making a Solar Thermal power generator (focused sunlight heats anti-freeze in glass tubes, circulated to a flash boiler to produce steam for a turbine driving a generator/alternator).

Here's a big idea: build levees along the seacoasts to protect agsinst rising ocean levels. Make large tidal basins inside the sea walls and use them for managed reefs/fish farms. Put huge tubes in the seawall for the tides to move through, powering electric turbines on both the rising and falling tide.

When a hurricane approches, lower the level in the basins at low tide, cap the generator tubes so the basins are nearly empty and let the basins absorb the overspill, minimizing flooding of populated areas.

Get your thinking caps on boys and girls. Us common people are going to have to find the solutions, the oil men running (ruinning) our government sure aren't.

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sbin

02-25-2008 11:08:42




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 Re: Everyone complains about the weather, fuel, etc... in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 07:37:28  
Interesting topic Kent!
Last summer we upgraded our furnace from 80% to +96%, 18 seer AC and 85% efficent tankless water heater hoping to offset some of the energy price increases.Did the installation myself so the cost wasn't too bad.
This summer we will start working on our country place heating, cooling and hot water will be done by geothermal heat pump. During site prep 6000' of 1" high density polyethylene tubing will be buried about 8' deep.Insulation, thermal mass and passive solar design will keep energy needs very low.A correctly designed geothermal heat pump system can provide 300% of the electrical energy used to operate it.

This is a link to Sandia national labs Solar Thermal power generator information.Sandia labs estimates that a field 100 miles by 100 miles of Stirling solar dishes could meet the electrical needs of America.The governator of California already funded a small scale version.

Here is a short quote

"Bob Liden, SES executive vice president and general manager, says solar electric generation dish arrays are an option for power in parts of the country that are sunny like New Mexico, Arizona, California, and Nevada. They could be linked together to provide utility-scale power. A solar dish farm covering 11 square miles hypothetically could produce as much electricity per year as Hoover Dam, and a farm 100 miles by 100 miles in the southwestern U.S. could provide as much electricity as is needed to power the entire country."

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davpal

02-25-2008 10:08:10




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 Re: Everyone complains about the weather, fuel, etc... in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 07:37:28  
Come on now. We all know that Americans aren't interested in doing all that work. That is for countries like Japan and the Netherlands and China to do. Over here people just want to drive around in 10 mpg vehicles all weekend and wasted gas going to ball games and to a restaraunt afterwards to eat and then get home and watch the big screen tv on some more sports.



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duck1

02-25-2008 08:40:50




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 Re: Everyone complains about the weather, fuel, etc... in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 07:37:28  
I agree with you kent, everyone wants to complain but what actions are they taking. Its also true that there isn't one big solution to "fix it". Its like a lot of things - it all starts at home. we have this "feed the world" mentality when it should be "feed ourselves then the world". Its not being cold or ruthless - just the plain facts. If we all used less of what the "big guy" has to offer then they could sweat for a while and in the meantime personally the bills would go down. If we sit around and wait for a "global" answer we all end up sucking air.
JMHO

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kyhayman

02-25-2008 07:56:15




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 Re: Everyone complains about the weather, fuel, etc... in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 07:37:28  
Can you shoot me an email with some more info on what you did. I'm very interested in 'going green' and now that my divorce is final I am starting to think about what kind of house I want to build at the farm.



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Kelly C

02-25-2008 09:08:13




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 Re: Everyone complains about the weather, fuel, etc... in reply to kyhayman, 02-25-2008 07:56:15  
Hey bud. I havent been hanging around for a wile. I did know you had problems on the home front. Sorry to hear that. Your a good guy and deserve a good home life.

Back to on topic to the off topic :-)
I would sure love to find a way to convert my rained on hay into fuel for my tractors. Can hay be turned into alcohol? I got a nice little corner of my shop all ready to used to house a still.

Having a way for us to make our own fuel for our equipment would be a big big win for us.

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IH2444

02-25-2008 07:49:44




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 Re: Everyone complains about the weather, fuel, etc... in reply to Kent in KC, 02-25-2008 07:37:28  
Yep there are manythings we can do, but no one big soloution to our energy problem.
The crux is it will not be easy or cheap, easy and cheap is what got us into this mess.



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