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o/t cell phones, analog no more 911

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glennster

02-10-2008 17:26:40




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reading in todays paper, after februay 19, analog cell phones wont be able to dial 911 anymore. cellular companies are shutting down the analog phone system. att+t mobility,alltell,cellular one, dobson, us cellular and verizon. says most cell phoes 5 years old are analog. digital phones have text, instant message internet browsing mp3 player, camera or sim card. guess i may haveta get a new phone. jeezz, first your tv, now your cell phone...what next!!!!

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Keith-OR

02-11-2008 15:11:26




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
Glen, I think they are all wet...Federal law mandates that any and all cell phones whether activated or not beable to call 911.. That's one of the reason most Abuse centers want your old cell phones...

Just test an unactivated, charged up phone,
dial 911...

I just supplied our local center here with some old cell phones I had, some analog.

Keith & Shawn



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Scooby Doo vs. Mothra

02-10-2008 23:28:08




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
Be very careful what you wish for, they use the excuse that they can find you in an emergency, what they don't say is that they can track you full time, either thru your cell phone, or OnStar.
The government is YOUR ENEMY.



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davediehl@hotmail.com

02-11-2008 08:07:12




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to Scooby Doo vs. Mothra, 02-10-2008 23:28:08  
If you ever get a chance to tour a 911 dispatch center, do it, it explains this a whole lot better when you can see it in action.

When you call 911, your phone sends a location just nanoseconds before you get the ring sound. The 911 call travels to one of the national routing centers which in turn sends it to your local 911 center. This is done with all calls regardless if its a cell or landline call. It also takes nanoseconds to route the call properly.

The cell phone does not track and show anyone a direction of the caller, it only shows its location one time as the call is initiated. For someone to be tracked, the caller would have to hang up and redial several times. Each call would show a location plotted on a map which also gives the 911 center the nearest fire, police, EMS stations.

Now, if you call from your tractor in the middle of a field, you will be expected to know the approximate crossroads of the field entrance. The 911 call will plot on a map, but can show a general location due to not having an actual road to reference to. Your field entrance may be on another road in another township. You will learn that injured people are generally disoriented from shock and sometimes go unconcious during the call.

Also, IF your phone is not GPS enabled, it will show a large circle around the cell tower that the call came from. This circle is a 6 mile radius and the call can originate from any location within the circle. This is the reason that the new phones are coming with GPS. Makes finding injured people a whole lot easier.

Old activated phones work calling 911, they will not allow a 911 dispatcher to call you back, and your location may not show on the call screen.

Trivia - Did you know that 911 lines are assigned a regular local phone number which can not dial out? If your community has 20 incoming lines, they are all numbered different and usually not in sequence. Dispatchers must use a regular outside line to call back disconnected calls.

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Old Ford Mechanic

02-10-2008 21:17:34




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
If they really wanted to do something constructive they would make it illegal to have one in an automobile.Like the idiot had, that ran over my wife and daughter while talking and not paying attention.What was wrong with finding a pay phone and having to pull off the road to use it? Hi tech is not all great stuff.



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John S-B

02-11-2008 07:07:49




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to Old Ford Mechanic, 02-10-2008 21:17:34  
It's not cell phones, it's the (non)driver. The idiot could have just as easily been eating pizza, shaving, putting on make up, reading, holding a dog in their lap, drinking coffee, etc. There's nothing wrong with using a cell phone if you know enough to not use it in heavy traffic and you are not the kine of person who has to wave your hands all around while talking to someone who isn't even there. Some people just can't walk and chew gum at the same time, and some are just lousy drivers to begin with.

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NE IA

02-10-2008 20:28:57




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
What next? A friend has a 05 car and he claims his on star went digital. The guy is very very wealth and very very slow mentaly. So this may just be a way for them to convince him to trade cars. His 05 Park Ave. (I think) has 28,000 miles on it. He paid $41,000 and now trading for a Buick SUV 08. They allowed him the same numbers as he paid for his Park Ave, only reversed. Perhaps the dealer is taking advantage of him, I'm not in that league so I'm not sure.

I think cell phones are Gods way of making me pay for all the wrong things I have done in my life. Nothing but troubles, and always falling through the cracks in the contracts.

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NC Wayne

02-11-2008 14:16:03




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to NE IA, 02-10-2008 20:28:57  
Nope, not lying to him, Mom and Dad just went throyugh the same thing with the one in Mom's Trailblazer. Thing is though they can change/upgrade what's there without buying another complete car. Your example just goes to show some peple have more money than sense.



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kyhayman

02-10-2008 20:28:27




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
I got my latest phone at Walmart. It was the cheapest prepaid digital phone they had for Tmobile. Put my sim card in it and voila, works like a charm. All for 30 bucks.

I kept getting the 'indestructable' phones, but I kept destructing them. They just dont make one for the way I live. So I decided to get cheap phones and just replace them when they bite the dust.



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davediehl@hotmail.com

02-10-2008 20:21:01




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
Most of the phones made in the past 3 years have been dual or even tri mode phones. None of which are analog.

Analog service in my area has been discontinued for more than 1 year.

You can not call 911 on an analog phone that has no service.

You can call 911 on a digital phone only after its been activated once. Meaning someone turned it on an account somewhere.

Digital phones have less range than an analog phone and have a maximum output of 600 milliwatts. Analog phones could have up to 3 watts output power.

Analog phones could only "talk" to one tower at a time, this made 911 triangulation impossible. Current phones have GPS enabled for 911 calls and can place a caller in less than 30 feet of where the phone is located. Even if you turn off the GPS position, 911 still gets the information.

A huge number of service features can be added on a digital phone where they can not be added on an analog unit.

Battery life on a digital phone is about 5 times that of an analog.

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Leroy

02-10-2008 18:25:35




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
Had to go with digital years ago as analog was no longer avaible, for at least the past 5 years. Never had the trouble with the analog as I do with the digital. Poor service, noisy & droped calls or no service.



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IH2444

02-10-2008 19:42:14




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to Leroy, 02-10-2008 18:25:35  
yeah but no static :)

We have them because they are cheaper for the phone companies to use and more calls per tower, etc.
Plus more bells and whistles to charge for besides regular phone serivce.

Not because thay are better.

I preferred the static to let you know you might get dropped soon.



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Walt Davies

02-10-2008 18:21:31




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
My phone is less then two years old and has both analog and digital it will get both types from home we live in a bad area.
Walt



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T_Bone

02-10-2008 18:10:55




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
Hi Glen,

Sounds like they wanna make sure they can track you with GPS as the newer phones have GPS.

That's got to be a great LE advantage.

T_Bone



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VaTom

02-11-2008 04:35:18




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to T_Bone, 02-10-2008 18:10:55  
Hey T_Bone,

Actually that GPS is part of what convinced me to listen to my wife and go cellular. Dropped the land line and saved $.84/year! Plus the long distance freedom.

But the better part is 911 knows within 10' of where I am. Important as I generally work solo in the woods with large machinery. Had a close call last fall with a large suspended rootball that didn't hinge as I expected. Sent me airborne down the mountain, 1/2 mile from the nearest phone.

Hard to say long it might take them to get to me, but at least they'd know where they needed to go.

On our phones, you switch on or off the GPS outgoing signal. Mine's on.

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John S-B

02-11-2008 07:11:46




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to VaTom, 02-11-2008 04:35:18  
In addisition to helping in emergencies, it will also greatly cut down on prank 911 calls.



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T_Bone

02-11-2008 10:58:48




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to John S-B, 02-11-2008 07:11:46  
Hi Tom,

I think GPS for 911 is a great thing. I've used it for chasing bad guys as I don't have to give out the info of where I'm at and can consentrate on where there taking me too so I can think ahead and cut them off.

My phone has a 911 only option as then only 911 can track you, ya right!

One can take out the battery and then it can't be tracked.

T_Bone



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VaTom

02-12-2008 04:42:26




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to T_Bone, 02-11-2008 10:58:48  
It's your choice T_Bone, 911 only or on. Simple to change. The switch is in the menu. Takes a second.

Amazing how this is all changing. My wife sells wholesale, returned from a trade show with a lot of orders. Normally need half a day of FAXing to get the orders placed.

Yesterday I scanned to email, and sent out, all the orders in under 2 hrs. 17 companies and got immediate read notification.

Much better. My land line provider wants us back, but they don't have much to offer.

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MarkB_MI

02-10-2008 18:05:54




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
"most cell phones 5 years old are analog"

Not true.

Now, if you have a Cingular or AT&T phone that's over five years old you might be equally screwed because AT&T (aka Cingular) is phasing out TDMA technology in favor of GSM. But that has nothing to do with analog. Analog has been on the way out for a long time.

You used to be able to get digital phones that also did analog, but I don't think anyone has offered those for three or four years.

Now if you have a five-year-old GM vehicle with OnStar, you won't be able to contiue to use OnStar because GM chose to stick with analog long after the handwriting was on the wall.

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Lanse

02-10-2008 17:56:20




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
"What Next???"

As long as it aint my tractor :-)



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Bob

02-10-2008 17:37:47




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
Used digital cell phones are a dime a dozen, and if my understanding is correct, even without a plan, anyone that will turn on and function can make a 911 call.

So pick up one offcast by a kid upgrading to the latest gizmo, and carry it along in case of an emergency



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504-2

02-10-2008 17:36:41




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 Re: o/t cell phones, analog no more 911 in reply to glennster, 02-10-2008 17:26:40  
I heard that if your display is color your phone will still work and some western states will keep analog for awhile longer.



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