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Did I Hear It Right?

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super99

02-10-2008 03:24:22




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When driving to work Friday morning, listening to RFD Illinois they were talking about a proposed law in California. ALL farm diesel engines were going to have to be replaced with 2007 or newer diesel engines because of polution controls. Is this correct? They were saying that some farmers had already switched engines 1 or 2 times and they thought this would put many out of business. If true, I would think this would kill the used machinery market. Who could afford to replace all the engines in all of their tractors, combines, sprayers, etc. Bad thing is, if they do this, it always works its way east and we will eventually have the same thing. Guess they are trying to kill off they small farmer. Please tell me I heard it wrong. Chris

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Ray

02-10-2008 08:56:06




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
I think it's a goverment financed program. A lot of the irrigation pumps have already been converted at our expense.



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IH2444

02-10-2008 07:15:17




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
Well on the bright side if the law is as bad as it seems it will mean all the non compliant equipment will get sold to those of us outside of CA ?



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Aaron Ford

02-10-2008 10:39:15




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to IH2444, 02-10-2008 07:15:17  
This was the silver lining that I was looking at....

Aaron



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Alex.C

02-10-2008 07:00:10




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
Well its California and they never do things for the better for the mid and lower classes, just good things for the upper class and thats it. Natrailly people won't comply cause of cost. Now heres a thought,remember that land law they past on house builders, I think that they came in the middle of night and repealed that law and now are trying to get the builders back by saying "look we got the people that made us pass that law" ofcorse they don't(it the extreme environmentalists, like PETA) they are just removing land owners for the house builders. just my thought.

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Leland

02-10-2008 06:03:40




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
For you folks that have never been out there the smog is so thick you can cut it with a knife ,and it sometimes took me a week just to get over being sick from breathing in all that nasty crap . the traffic is so bad they have 24 hour traffic jams and backups .



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B-maniac

02-10-2008 12:06:30




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to Leland, 02-10-2008 06:03:40  
They are still stumbling over dollars to pick up pennies and always have. They CHOOSE to be ignorant of the real smog generators and make life miserable for the "pennies". Big money talks and the world is a mess because of it.



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rrlund

02-10-2008 08:31:04




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to Leland, 02-10-2008 06:03:40  
It don't take that many people to cut the trees,load the ships and farm the central valley. Nobody else has any business being there!



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RAB

02-10-2008 05:33:24




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
On the same sort of topic:
All HGVs, and probably smaller (or soon will be), commercial vehicles entering the Greater London area must now be compliant with new lower, more stringent emisssions. That has, at a stroke, cut out the entry to London of most vehicles older than 6 years. I know a fellow who knew it was coming and has sold his transport business because of it. There will be a high cost to this change and, I would think, an incease in haulage charges into and out of London because of these new regs. Good idea for those who live there, I suppose, with a little less pollution.

Regards, RAB

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john in la

02-10-2008 05:25:57




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
While I did not read the whole article but rather just skimmed over it I did see something about a new law in a trade magazine at work Friday.

This proposed law had to do with reefer engines. Right now reefer units are considered off road and are exempt from clean air acts.
I can only assume that if they are willing to attack these off road engines in Calif. that they will include all off road engines including tractors.

While Calif. Is a warm state so this most likely does not apply….. But what is next. All home heating units that burn diesel need to be replaced?????

In my opinion Calif. would have a problem if we still used horses because of the gas released.

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old timer in ohio

02-10-2008 05:03:33




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
Hey there;
Although I'm not from California,I just
wonder how long this country would last,
if ALL the trucks would STOP ,moving for
just one week HMMMM! Bob
God Bless



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JoeBob/IN

02-10-2008 04:54:04




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
Would be impossible to retrofit some of the older tractors. Say for instance the Case's, the engine is not a component engine like a Cummins... it is cast in such a way that it is part of the "frame" of the tractor. It would take someone recasting entirely new blocks to retrofit them plus all the electronics. I beleive it is just for production vehicles after certain model years but does sound like they want some of the already built vehicles to be retrofitted which sounds ridiculous.

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MarkB_MI

02-10-2008 04:32:20




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
I went to Google News and could only find a couple of articles on this topic. One was from the California Farm Bureau (link below), the other was from the FleetOwner website (http://fleetowner.com/management/carb_workshops_regulatory_0130/)

It's apparent from both articles that the rules only apply to highway fleet vehicles. Of course, many of the large corporate farming operations will fall into that category. Another thing the Farm Bureau seems to be upset about is some provision that vehicles and engines that don't meet the new regulations can't be resold. That would affect the supply of used replacement engines and trucks.

Here's what FleetOwner says about the regs:

"The retrofit requirements will require fleets with more than 19 trailers to be 50% retrofitted by December 31, 2012 and fully retrofitted by December 31, 2014. Fleets with 19 or less trailers do not have the 50% requirement but must also be fully compliant by 2014.

"The proposed regulation, which would phase in between 2010 and 2021, affects diesel vehicles operating in California, shuttle buses, vehicles with greater than 14,000 GVWR, or any person, business or government agency that owns or sells a vehicle in the state.

"Excluded from the regulation are pickups and other vehicles with a GVW rating less than 14,000 lbs., with the exception of shuttle buses, emergency vehicles, tactical military vehicles and personal use motorhomes."

The California farm lobby is notoriously powerful; I wouldn't be surprised if the proposed rules are either shut down completely or get significant exemptions for agriculture.

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Gun guru

02-10-2008 04:07:01




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
I would have to think that even if the commies in California came out with this law it would be tough to enforce. (kinda like trying to get all the handguns off the streets) Some may comply with the law but most wouldnt, I sure wouldnt.



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Rankand ready

02-10-2008 03:35:07




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 Re: Did I Hear It Right? in reply to super99, 02-10-2008 03:24:22  
Should be good for the economy.



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