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Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone.

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Dean Barker

01-28-2008 09:45:18




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Thanks to everyone for the advice on the diesel fuel additives. I live northeast of Osage, Iowa which is about 10 miles from the Minnesota border. I need some combination to keep the diesel fuel from jelling in my White 120 with the 5.9 Cummins which I use to blow snow with. The 120 was filled with about 55 gallons of 10% bio-diesel (10% soy diesel) and I had added two quarts of Power Service (white bottle) about 3 weeks ago to get ready for cold weather. It was about 15 below zero when I started it with it plugged in. I blew my yard out and headed up the road to blow out my neighbor's yard, and it gelled up and stopped. Previous posts on here pointed out that any anti-gelling additive evaporates after two weeks. I'm assuming that is what happened to me. I was looking for something to add to the fuel if the tractor had sat for more than one week. I guess what I'll do from now on is either have a complete fill of Artic fuel or try to get the tank down to 1/2 full of #2 and then fill with #1. That seems to be a sure thing with no concerns that something is going to evaporate. Thanks to all you YT guys for the advice. I will use the de-icer to clean paint brushes or something.

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Hugh MacKay

01-29-2008 14:44:20




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
Dean: Of all the diesel additives in the world there is one substance in them all that stops jelling, METHYL HYDRATE, and methyl hydrate does evaporate after a couple of weeks of machine being parked. It wont evaporate from the fuel lines, filters or pump, but it will evaporate from the tank.

So, just save yourself a whole bunch of money and buy a gallon of methyl hydrate. Then you can use it to beef up your fuel, windshield wash, use it as lock deicer, use it in your air brakes, use it to clean heavy ice off wipers and use it to deice your plane.

Some of these guys are addicted to attitives, I almost LOL every time I go in an auto parts store. Shelf after shelf after shelf of completely useless products and folks actually buy it. By the way methyl hydrate at a truck stop will be roughly $6.00 per gallon and 1/2 cup to 100 gallons of fuel.

Drug stores usually sell it for around $3.00 per gallon, some druggists get a bit up tight if you consume too much. I once needed a gallon, had just bought a gallon the day before, we were away from home, thus it was closer to go to drug store than home. Druggist whom I had known for years stopped me as I headed for the cash register, he said, "You do know that stuff is not safe to drink". I said, "You don't say."

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djm75

01-29-2008 03:09:12




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
bio blends of less than 20% won"t gel any sooner than the diesel they are mixed with. I live in northeast iowa and use howes in all my diesel and have never gelled up. They also have a guarantee that if you gel up they pay the tow it is top of the line stuff.



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teddy52food

01-28-2008 19:41:31




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
When the fuel starts to jell, the filters are where it can't go through. Try to find a way to get some heat to the filters.



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JK-NY

01-28-2008 17:14:16




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
When I answered you before I wasnt sure if you were having this problem with a tractor or truck, so heres a couple more thoughts. Bio- diesel blends will gell/wax at a higher temp than diesel, how much higher depends on % biodiesel. ULSD(ultra low sulfur diesel) also gells at a higher temp than regular off road fuel. Many times nowadays you may get dyed ULSD for your off road fuel. In newer (07) road engines you must use ULSD #1 fuel or ULS kerosene to blend .Off road or older Trucks you can blend with regular kerosene. If you buy some winter blend fuel it should not be a problem either way.I have had good luck with tractors here by dumping 5 gal fuel cans of kerosene in the tractors tank in late fall to cut the #2 fuel to 60/40, and also using a good antigel additive. Also be sure to drain your water separator before it gets too cold , kerosene doent help with ice.

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trucker40

01-28-2008 15:31:55




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
Power Service does not evaporate.You could maybe put that stronger stuff Power Service makes Diesel 911 in a red jug in it.If the fuel is liquid,I doubt that its gelled.Gelled and water is 2 different things.I would think 2 quarts of Power Service anti gell in the white jug in 55 galons of Diesel it would not be gelled. I dont know what biodiesel would do to it.Power Service is an additive that will ungell diesel thats allready gelled.The only one I know that does ungell gelled fuel.You have to stir it some way if its solid when you put the power service in it and as it turns back to liquid you have to stir it,maybe even put twice what it calls for which should be about right with 2 quarts.I dont know everything though.If it is gelled you might need to heat it up for it to ungell,but the stuff in the red jug Diesel 911 is supposed to ungell it.Maybe its biodiesel/soydiesel is the problem.You could take a quart jar and put some of that diesel in it with power service in the freezer and see if it gells,or if its solid in your tank you dont need to.
Fifteen below is getting cold for additives to work,but they should go to 20 below.That could also mean that it will run at 20 below but maybe not if you shut it off and restart it. I think Power Service also makes cetane booster in a white jug too.If it was cetane booster then it could be jelled.

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trucker40

01-28-2008 15:29:53




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
Power Service does not evaporate.You could maybe put that stronger stuff Power Service makes Diesel 911 in a red jug in it.If the fuel is liquid,I doubt that its gelled.Gelled and water is 2 different things.I would think 2 quarts of Power Service anti gell in the white jug in 55 galons of Diesel it would not be gelled. I dont know what biodiesel would do to it.Power Service is an additive that will ungell diesel thats allready gelled.The only one I know that does ungell gelled fuel.You have to stir it some way if its solid when you put the power service in it and as it turns back to liquid you have to stir it,maybe even put twice what it calls for which should be about right with 2 quarts.I dont know everything though.If it is gelled you might need to heat it up for it to ungell,but the stuff in the red jug Diesel 911 is supposed to ungell it.Maybe its biodiesel/soydiesel is the problem.You could take a quart jar and put some of that diesel in it with power service in the freezer and see if it gells,or if its solid in your tank you dont need to.
Fifteen below is getting cold for additives to work,but they should go to 20 below.That could also mean that it will run at 20 below but maybe not if you shut it off and restart it. I think Power Service also makes cetane booster in a white jug too.If it was cetane booster then it could be jelled.

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T_Bone

01-28-2008 14:37:58




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
Hi jed,

How long have you been using this additive?

Any idea what it costs for a given quanity?

T_Boneed



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JMS/.MN

01-28-2008 13:28:41




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
When you live that close to MN- forget the additives- just fill with #1 fuel and be done with it! Sure, the fuel economy drops- like in fall tillage, but, you just want to keep the driveway clear, etc. Do the normal winter chores. Economy doesn"t mean squat when you"re talking about one tank of fuel for all winter. It"s not like when you have a few day"s plowing left and need to order fuel- need to decide how much of each.

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idaho spud

01-28-2008 12:45:32




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
In a pinch I have used unleaded gas, just don't use to much. Got stranded once in a truck stop back east, state shut down interstate. You could not buy a galon of power service at any price and man did it get cold [20 below plus the wind] after storm pased out of a couple hundred trucks I was one of the few still running.



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dej(jed)

01-28-2008 11:50:54




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
Go on to Freedom additives.com. They have an MG20D that is fantastic. Not only will it improve flow it also increases miles per gallon by about 20%.



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Bob

01-28-2008 10:58:29




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
Your anti-gell DIDN't evaporate in cold weather.

You simply didn't use enough.

Biodiesel makes the gelling WORSE, as well.



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Duane(Pa)

01-28-2008 10:39:06




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 Re: Diesel Fuel Additives, Thanks everyone. in reply to Dean Barker, 01-28-2008 09:45:18  
I don't know if you guys live near an airport, but if you can, get them to sell you some Jet-A; it won't Gell. Mix at the ratio of your choice because jet fuel isn't going to gell or evaporate in your tank. Turbulence & mixing is important, don't just pour it in on top of the heavier diesel and expect it to combine. They might even have sump fuel to give away or sell cheap.



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