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cold starting and fuel gelling in filters

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benjaminR

01-19-2008 13:23:55




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Am I in trouble? ( week one of owning my 1466 International hasn't been so good....)
It didn't want to start the other day, but eventually did. ( minus 30's all week. very very cold) After 10 minutes it stopped and wouldn't start again. Either the diesel ran out, or could I have damaged the fuel filters - the gelling effect, is that possible? I filled up the fuel today but still too cold, and I am afraid to try again. Can I even change the filters with a full tank of fuel? When I checked the diesel level yesterday it was extremely low - but how low is the fuel line coming out of it? thankyou from a very new tractor owner!

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DiyDave

01-19-2008 15:25:20




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 Re: cold starting and fuel gelling in filters in reply to benjaminR, 01-19-2008 13:23:55  
Take the filters off, put new ones in the bowls, and fill up with diesel 911, do whatever heating you can do, and hope it starts!



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caterpillar guy

01-19-2008 15:14:17




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 Re: cold starting and fuel gelling in filters in reply to benjaminR, 01-19-2008 13:23:55  
If you have a tarp big enough to hang on one side or over the engine you can use a salamander heater to warm up the fuel and filters to get it going and then put in some fuel treatment ie: power service rubbing alcohol gasoline #1 fuel or what have you. If you just bought the tractor and it came from down south the fuel will need more treating than if it came from farther north as the fuel is blended for the region it was in. I go all over the Us in all weather and don"t treat fuel just buy it in the area that I"m in from south to north keep buying to strengthen the mix for the temp.

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Wayne from Wi

01-19-2008 14:00:42




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 Re: cold starting and fuel gelling in filters in reply to benjaminR, 01-19-2008 13:23:55  
At -30 your fuel is gelled. Also is likely the filters haven't been changed for while. You should change the filters, bleed them, put a GOOD diesel antigel in the fuel(Power Service is good one to use) put 50% or more #1 fuel in the tank at those low temperatures, warm up the engine with the block heater and other heaters if necessary, and you are good to go. I have a 966 and have used it at -35 many times. When it's that cold, I always put cardboard over the front of the radiator to help the motor make heat when running. Also expect the hydraulic to be slow and noisy until it runs a while. Wayne

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benjaminR

01-19-2008 15:35:33




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 Re: cold starting and fuel gelling in filters in reply to Wayne from Wi, 01-19-2008 14:00:42  
I will get new filters on monday, but is all the fuel going to pour out when I undo them?
I couldn't see a shutoff anywhere.
Sorry for the dumb question, this is my first tractor....
Is it ok to attempt to run the tractor tomorrow before changing the filters? Still going to be crazy cold out....



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Wayne from Wi

01-19-2008 17:56:53




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 Re: cold starting and fuel gelling in filters in reply to benjaminR, 01-19-2008 15:35:33  
Ben, My 966 has a fuel shutoff in the fuel line. If your tractor does not, don't worry. Just spin the filters off one at a time, and you will lose maybe a pint. On mine, the bleeder is on the filter mount on top. Memory says a 7/16 wrench opens it. Open it maybe a turn or a little more until bubbly fuel comes out. The fuel will flow by gravity, there is no primer pump involved. After the stream of fuel no longer has air bubbles in it,the filters are full and air will be out of the filters and line. Tighten the bleeder, set the throttle about 3/4, and if you have warmed the block it will start. Be sure to add #1 fuel and an antigel or it will gel up again, sometimes in just minutes when it is that cold. Wayne

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c-man

01-19-2008 17:52:54




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 Re: cold starting and fuel gelling in filters in reply to benjaminR, 01-19-2008 15:35:33  
There should be a fuel shutoff on the bottom of the fuel tank. If it has an IH cab, you might need to take off a round plate, about 6 inches across, that you will see when you open the door and are standing on the ground. Unless someone has taken it off, the fuel shutof should be in there. If you are "gelled" up, you will either need to change the filters or warm them up. This can take a long time if the temp. is 30 below. We tie heavy canvas tarps along the engines on our older IH tractors so the heat that is created by the engine will help keep the fuel warm in the winter since the fuel tank is behind the engine. Of course, one must get the tractor started in the first place. Let it warm up good before taking off.

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