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OT. Ford PU starting problem

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Dave2

01-15-2008 05:01:43




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Hi folks,
I have a '90 F250 5.8 liter. My problem is that the starter just spins free mostly. It may catch on the 3rd or 103rd try. just like a bald spot on the ring gear, but not the case. This is a rebuilt bosch starter that looks like the box on top is new. If I do a jumper cable test with the starter laying on the ground, it works every time. Could it be that I'm not getting enough power to the starter, or I just got a Friday afternoon (or Monday morning) rebuild. As I try, usually right before the time it engages, I get a clunk. Usually hits the next time. Any ideas?

Thanks, Dave

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Vern-MI

01-15-2008 15:55:07




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  
If you took it apart you may see somthing obvious that is preventing the bendix from engaging the flywheel. Could be a lever pin that is walking out or a lever fork that is not engaged in the bendix properly.



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RodInNS

01-15-2008 14:29:25




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  
Bendix. Get another starter.
Knowing the 351 Windsor, you'll get another before the year is out. Get one with at least a year's warranty.

Rod



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dave2

01-15-2008 13:59:50




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to shinnery, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  

Walt Davies said: (quoted from post at 10:09:58 01/15/08) Geeze Dave if you just bought it and it don't work then take it back and get another one. Simple ain't it.

Walt


I live a couple miles from the parts store where I got it :D :D .

I live in Germany and have to order online, I'd be down for a month doing a swap. Been milking it for awhile now but it seems to get worse. When it starts, it starts. It's the "when" that is the problem. I'm going to clean all electrical connections, battery cables, and try again. If it's the same, I can order a new one from NAPA. If that don't work, maybe I can use a hand crank. Sure do miss being able to park on a hill.

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trucker40

01-15-2008 13:35:26




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  
Maybe there are more than one Ford 5.8 motors that take a different starter.Seems to me I had something happen like that before and there was one tooth less on the starter drive than what was supposed to be for my motor.Or maybe its a bad starter.



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Walt Davies

01-15-2008 09:09:58




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  
Geeze Dave if you just bought it and it don't work then take it back and get another one. Simple ain't it.
Walt



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El Toro

01-15-2008 09:02:25




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  
I think its your bendix too. Hal



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Vern-MI

01-15-2008 06:55:48




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  
That has the solenoid shift design. The "solenoid" is a swing arm armature that pulls in with the energizing of the field current and the lever pushes the "Bendix" drive gear into the flywheel gear. Two things can happen. The first is that arm may not be pulling in all the way and the gear may not be engaging the flywheel gear. This is not likely because the swing arm solenoid core has to move almost all the way before the contacts engage to begin the starter motor rotation. The second is that the "Bendix" gear is engaged in the flywheel but it is not turning with the starter motor shaft. Since the starter spins OK I would buy a new "Bendix" drive and put in in the starter motor that you have in order to repair it. They run about $16 at the most. The worst part is getting in there to R&R the starter.

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JT

01-15-2008 06:17:38




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  
Dave,
I am not that familiar with the "newer" Ford starter design, is it an inertia drive starter or a solenoid shift starter? If it is a solenoid shift starter, it sounds as though you do not have enough battery or bad connections, especially if you get a clunk before it starts. that "clunk" is the drive engaging into the flywheel and starter not turning, normally from insufficient voltage. especially if it works every time off the truck.
Jim

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Goose

01-15-2008 06:04:19




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  
Sounds like a bad starter drive to me.

I once sold reman starters, among other things. Nationally, the failure rate on rebuilt starters is something like 16%. Usually, if a reman starter works for the first dozen cycles, it will run forever.

BTW, when I started selling for that company, their failure rate was 18%. By the time I quit that job, it was 6%. The foreman of the plant that did our rebuilds didn't like me. He was used to a salesman being some dork out there selling anything the plant chose to dump onto him. He wasn't used to a salesman in a coat and tie carrying a starter or alternator into the plant, throwing it on the bench in front of him, and disassembling it and showing him where they screwed it up.

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chuck davis

01-15-2008 06:01:42




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  
I have had a bunch of bad rebuilt starters over my lifetime. I will never purchase another one from The Zone. I had 4 in a row that did not work and did exactly what yours is doing. I would take it back and would run fine on the bench.

Quality rebuilds are out there,you will pay a little bit more. I have since used NAPA rebuilds and have not had a problem.



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todd123

01-15-2008 05:16:41




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  
your bendix or strter drive as its called on a tractor is probally no good.



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Howard H.

01-15-2008 05:09:03




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:01:43  

Are you sure its the correct starter??

I don't remember the exact year model - but I know we had heck one time on a Ford pickup with the starter and come to find out - there was like 1/8 to 1/4 inch difference in the length of the nose cone...

Howard



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Dave2

01-15-2008 05:43:43




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Howard H., 01-15-2008 05:09:03  
Was it doing what I describe? It's very well possible that I could have the wrong one, rebuilds are risky.

Thanks, Dave



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Howard H.

01-15-2008 11:21:50




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 Re: OT. Ford PU starting problem in reply to Dave2, 01-15-2008 05:43:43  

Yep - the same symptoms - even holding the old and new starter up to each other - it was tough to tell the difference - but there was a little over an 1/8th inch difference or so. If you held them nose to nose - side by side - and lined up the mounting flanges with each other - you could see the difference.

But that was on an older pickup than yours - I was thinking one of the mid-80's Fords we had - but it's been a while.

I just remember it took a couple of days, a lot of head scratching, and a few trips to the part store to get sorted out...


Howard

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