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Yes, well as is many times the case, it was a bad connection. I traced it to the positive battery cable, did as Walt suggested, tried starting it with the lights on, they went off, you could tell that this was a short after that as it killed everything. Usually, you'll get the white/green powdery oxidation at the battery terminals, and sometimes a bad connection at least in my experiences, many times I've wedged a battery connection tight when the ends were shot, to get by temporarily, sometime you'd have to wiggle em around a bit, but it always seemed to work. This one was a dull gray on the inside, no oxidation and I thought I gave them a decent cleaning 2 months ago, well maybe I was distracted when I did the + terminal or something, as it seemed to have a glaze coat on it, the wire brush terminal tool did not take it off, and that was the problem, so I took a somewhat coarse round file to it, there was a significant amount of dust before it was shined up. Honest, I'm not a dunce most of the time, and I think I've always known to keep these terminals clean, well except this time, must be age, sure had me fooled.... LOL !!! Good reminder, clean connections are important.
Thanks for the suggestions !
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