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OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentioned

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skyharborcowboy

01-08-2008 08:11:55




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The Dam

This letter was sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Quality, State of Pennsylvania . This guy’s response is hilarious, but read the State’s letter before you get to the response letter.

SUBJECT: DEQ File No.97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County

Dear Mr. DeVries:

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond.

A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity.

A review of the Department’s files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2006.

Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff.

Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action.

We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.

Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

Sincerely,

David L. Price

District Representative and Water Management Division

Here is the response sent back by Mr. DeVries:

Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Lycoming County

Dear Mr. Price,

Your certified letter dated 12/17/05 has been handed to me to respond to.

I am the legal landowner but not the Contractor at 2088 Dagget Lane , Trout Run, Pennsylvania .

A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood “debris” dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials “debris.” I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.

My first dam question to you is:

(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers, or

(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request?

If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Pennsylvania Compiled Laws, annotated.

I have several concerns. My first concern is, aren’t the beavers entitled to legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation — so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department’s dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event, causing flooding, is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names.

If you want the stream “restored” to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers — but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter, they being unable to read English.

In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers’ Dams).

So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2006? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention to a real environmental quality, health, problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone.

If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! The bears are not careful where they dump!

Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office

THANK YOU.

RYAN DEVRIES & THE DAM BEAVERS

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Traditional Farmer

01-08-2008 18:16:12




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 Re: OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentio in reply to skyharborcowboy, 01-08-2008 08:11:55  
I don't know if the original story was true or not but I have seen several versions on the 'net that last few years



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Mike (WA)

01-08-2008 12:27:09




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 Re: OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentio in reply to skyharborcowboy, 01-08-2008 08:11:55  
I actually had some good luck dealing with the bureaucrats with a humorous letter. We bought a place in 1989 that had a 1,100 gallon buried fuel tank. State had opined that anything over 1,000 gallons had to be "certified", at considerable expense (dig around everything to make sure tank and fittings don't leak, etc.), or had to be removed by a certified removal guy, or "disabled" by filling with sand. I wrote back that it may have been a fuel tank in the past, but I had carefully checked it and found it to be empty. Therefore, the use had changed to a volume of air, encased in steel, with no environmental danger even if the air leaked out. I had no intention of filling it (and wouldn't have been able to anyhow, I figured, without an edict from Superior Court and special dispensation from the Queen), but if any itinerant fuel trucks came around seeking to sureptitiously fill it, I would defend the sanctity of my air tank, by threat of force and violence, if necessary. Bunch of other drivel, but you get the idea. Hand wrote it on notebook paper, for a little more populist appeal.

Got a phone call (at 6:30 in the evening, no less) from a young lady at the Department of Ecology about 3 weeks later. She said they had passed my letter around, as well as posting it on the bulletin board, and everyone sure enjoyed it. As far as my tank was concerned, she said they were simply taking me off of their list, and if I ever wanted to use it, I would have to go through the certification process. "Something tells me," she said, "that that's something we probably don't have to worry about." No kidding. That was almost 20 years ago, and have never heard another peep out of them.

I'll bet if I had "taken them on", I'd still be fighting with them.

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Walt Davies

01-08-2008 10:51:24




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 Re: OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentio in reply to skyharborcowboy, 01-08-2008 08:11:55  
I have been in contact with the local fish & game dept. and they are going to look at my beaver dam and see if they can repopulate it. Nice people so far but the laws here are nil to none about beavers.
Walt



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Mark Doud

01-08-2008 09:49:20




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 Re: OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentio in reply to skyharborcowboy, 01-08-2008 08:11:55  
google hit I found about this:



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cj in wisconsin

01-08-2008 09:23:39




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 Re: OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentio in reply to skyharborcowboy, 01-08-2008 08:11:55  
Thats dam funny. Best story by a dam site.



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Walt Davies

01-08-2008 08:45:39




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 Re: OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentio in reply to skyharborcowboy, 01-08-2008 08:11:55  
I have an 80 ft. long beaver dam above my pond they used to come down and patch my outlets (three culverts) stuffed them full of logs sticks weeds mud and other such stuff. I would clear them out during the winter then leave them in the spring so as to get more water in the pond on my somewhat creek. Lately I haven't seen any action from the beaver and i think a neighbor may have killed them he doesn't like to follow all the laws just those that he likes. Anyway I need my beavers so if anybody has a couple of them they want to move please get in contact with me.
Walt

PS I once sent a letter in to the local paper about the dam and they wanted me to take out the cuss words. (IE Dam)

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Polkwing

01-08-2008 10:32:29




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 Re: OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentio in reply to Walt Davies, 01-08-2008 08:45:39  

Walt:
Saw the pic of your place on a previous post. Looks familiar...could it be on N side of 22 headed for the coast from Salem?

I live SE of Dallas; don't farm, just enjoy peace and quiet and setting of a rural life.

Polkwing



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Walt Davies

01-08-2008 10:39:45




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 Re: OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentio in reply to Polkwing, 01-08-2008 10:32:29  
Polkwing, I live at the south end of Cooper Hollow Rd.

You are looking at my neighbors place just across CHR the piece in front is my front pasture. I have 37.58 acres out here.

503 623 0460
give me a call.



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POLKWING

01-08-2008 21:13:05




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 Re: OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentio in reply to Walt Davies, 01-08-2008 10:39:45  
Walt:

Can't exactly figure where you live but often go that way to Monmouth and Independence, over the bridge and into S end of Salem if I have business in the end of town. Also sometimes come home that way. We live .9 mile west off 223 on Liberty Rd, fourth house on left at 2570.

Have to be in Salem for a meeting a 1:00 P tomorrow and if weather permits, and you are home, might stop by. What is your mail box # and will you be home mid-afternoon?

Leon( {Polkwing)

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rrlund

01-08-2008 08:14:33




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 Re: OT-For Those Who Have Not Seen The Beaver Story I Mentio in reply to skyharborcowboy, 01-08-2008 08:11:55  
Yup,I got the email. Gotta believe it's true.



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