Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Tractor Talk Discussion Forum

Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Billy NY

01-04-2008 05:39:48




Report to Moderator

I read about the cause of death this morning, of a young man, 24 years of age, from our town here, who had recently completed 4 years of active service for our country as a U.S. Marine, leaving a wife and 3 young children behind. He was working on a snow removal detail for local contractor at a mall north of here. He was filling a tire with air on a loader, that had a split/locking ring on it and it came off. He did 2 tours in Iraq, yet something like this happens, just does not seem fair by any means.

These things are still out there on trucks and equipment, and obviously the younger generation may not be educated about the hazards involved, but need to be, so these things don't happen anymore.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
jim moss

01-05-2008 13:39:11




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 05:39:48  
Does anyone know where you can get rims to replace the split rims on the ford 600 series.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY

01-05-2008 14:08:40




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to jim moss, 01-05-2008 13:39:11  
One of the problems with switching is the tire size on the originals may be obsolete, like the 8.25 x 20.00's that were on mine, the diesel shop across the road, got a set from his tire guy, used, same bolt pattern but would fit a slightly larger tire, can't remember what those are 9.00 x 20.00's or 10.00 x 20.00's is what I ended up with, that and not being able to turn to the extreme left, something rubs since this was done.

I remember he had to also match stud pilot or hib pilot type rims and did some work on the lathe or something to make the lugs nuts/assembly work. Well established business, expensive, but always does top quality work, not sure what all the details were to make the switch on mine, sounded a little complicated for some reason, I thought it would have been much simpler.

Best thing to do is speak to a truck tire place and see what they can do with what you have, I'm not sure what my other options were here, but I was glad to have those 2 piece rims off the truck. Still have to figure out what's causing the left side to rub, when the wheel is turned to the max on in that direction, did not do that before.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
iowa_tire_guy

01-04-2008 23:02:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 05:39:48  
When inflating any tire, never stand beside or over it. Sidewall blowouts on one piece rims can still kill you.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY

01-05-2008 06:19:32




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to iowa_tire_guy, 01-04-2008 23:02:54  
This is true, but by the same token not many people pay too much attention to that, then you still have to read the tire guage, I suppose it's more of a danger when first mounted, just like these old multi piece rims.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
dave guest

01-04-2008 20:22:36




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 05:39:48  
Only split rims I ever worked on was 1927 Dodge. Mostly forgot, but didn't seem unsafe, just hard work.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
John S-B

01-04-2008 18:33:56




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 05:39:48  
That's why I pay someone else to mess with tires bigger than the one on my wheelbarrow.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mathias NY

01-04-2008 15:47:57




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 05:39:48  
One recommendation I haven't heard is to use chains instead of a cage to work on the split rings. I know several people who wrap logging chains around the tire (through the center) in several places. The idea being that if a ring comes loose it won't be possible for it spring past all the chains and will not fly through the air. Its not as secure as a cage, but far superior to nothing.

I was talking with some coworkers today and learned of a pretty bad tire explosion around here. It happened about 10 years ago. It seems a farmer had gotten a flat tire on his tractor and put in a few cans of fix-a-flat. But he didn't have an air compressor handy... so he used the Oxygen tank from his torch set. The resulting explosion could be heard for several miles. I guess he lived, but had some pretty serious injuries.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
trucker40

01-04-2008 08:15:29




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 05:39:48  
They are 2 piece wheels.They have a rim which holds a tire,tube and liner,then a ring that holds the tire,tube,liner on the wheel.The ring fits in a groove thats maybe 1/4 inch deep.If there is any dirt,rust,anything in the groove the ring will come off while inflating it.If the ring is damaged by beating on it with a tire hammer,or anything else it will come off while inflating it.There are cages made to inflate tires for the purpose of these kind of tires,because they can pop a ring off just because they feel like it,especially if you change a tire.I saw one come off at a shop where I worked.They were changing tires on the wrecker.I was waiting on cars at the pumps.Depending on which pump a car pulled up to I either walked through the shop or out of the office door.As I walked through the shop there was an explosion,I turned around and looked and the mechanic who weighed about 250 pounds was floating in the air about as high as the rafters,and as I looked he came crashing back to the concrete floor.He had been sitting on top of the tires that were laying flat on the floor while airing them up without a cage.He had to be taken to the hospital,never came back to work as long as I worked there. People walking beside the road have been killed by these rings. They were outlawed I thought.I think what they did was quit putting them on 3/4 ton pickups.Thats been about 20 years ago but there are still some out there.Lots of big trucks had them.When they went to radial tires I guess they decided they got so much better mileage out of them they would put them on Bud wheels without tubes and split rings,and that was in the early 80s. The worst of all were 3 piece wheels,in my opinion.Those could pop off at any time,and you couldnt tell when they were on right,or about to pop off.There even were split wheels.I think they outlawed them before my time.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jdemaris

01-04-2008 08:11:45




Report to Moderator
 To Ken Macfarlane et. al. about split rims . . . in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 05:39:48  
I didn't realize that some people did not grow up around these things and don't realize what they are - and what they can do to you - if you're not careful.


third party image

third party image

third party image

third party image

third party image

third party image

third party image

third party image

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY

01-04-2008 10:01:37




Report to Moderator
 Re: To Ken Macfarlane et. al. about split rims . . . in reply to jdemaris, 01-04-2008 08:11:45  
JD, thanks for posting those photos and information on these. That was my biggest beef with them and as shown, so you do everything right, clean those pieces and inpsect carefully prior to assembly, replace them if too far gone or rusted, use a cage when inflating, you would think that if it was going to come off it would by then, but that ain't the case sometimes. The real kicker is moving and placing it back on the vehicle at which time you are at point blank range when tightening the lug nuts

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
rrlund

01-04-2008 06:47:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 05:39:48  
I was fixing one one time on a manure spreader. Had it laying on the shop floor with the ring down. I was on my hands and knees on it holding the air hose filling it. The ring blew off and it blew me right out the door. I don't know how long I was in the air,but long enough to wonder if I was ever going to hit the ground. Landed just short of hitting my head on the drawbar of a tractor. Didn't break any bones but knocked the wind out of me and made me feel like I'd been dragged through a knothole for about a week. It's been 30+ years and my left ankle still pops when I twist it around. Anybody that doesn't show those things a lot more respect and fear than I did,is just plain stupid.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
NCWayne

01-04-2008 06:42:14




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 05:39:48  
What nobody seems to be thinking about when it comes to the locking rings is that most of the large heavy equipment (ie loaders, graders, scrapers, etc) still use them. The thing is the tires typically have to be changed in the field. With them being as heavily built as they are it isn"t feasible to have a mobile machine to spread the bead over the rim like you"d do with a "normal" size tire so they use a rim that the tire can be slipped over easily and then retained with the lock ring. They"ve been doing this for alot of years and will probably still be doing it for alot more unless someone comes up with something different. Wether or not their safe never seems to be an issue unless someone is lax about treating them with respect and does what they know they shouldn"t or simply doesn"t know what their doing to begin with. I"ll bet in this instance the tire was flat to the point that it had set the rim on the ground and dislodged the ring and the guy never paid attention to that fact before he started filling it up. I noticed on of the other replys talking about the tire on a loader being filled to 100 psi. Many of the larger tires fill to at least 100 psi with some going as high as 150psi so unless it was a lower rated tire there had to have been something else to go wrong for that incident to have happened. Don"t get me wrong here, I agree that anytime someone gets killed like this it is a tradgedy. Problem is more often than not the blame is put on the inanimate object that "caused" their death and not attributed to the person that didn"t know what they were doing, screwed up and actually caused their own death. But that"s just my .02 based on a lifetime of working on heavy equipment and seeing how many stupid lever pullers there are and the kinds of things they routinely do because they don"t know, don"t ask, really don"t want to know, or are simply too stupid to care....

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
steve from mo - dangit!

01-04-2008 08:47:20




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to NCWayne, 01-04-2008 06:42:14  
Lots of equipment in the pulpwood business still uses that kind of wheel. Loaders, etc. A guy got killed by one of these at a woodyard where I was working one day - took the top of his head off.

Back home before the cages came out, the tire guys used to lay them flat on the ground, lock the air nozzle on, and back a vehicle over them before turning on the air pressure.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY

01-04-2008 07:21:07




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to NCWayne, 01-04-2008 06:42:14  
This true, my thoughts were along the same lines, it was probably flat and the ring was not aligned. The truck I was driving that had the blow out was an early 80's model, was only about 6 years old when I was driving it, yet the front steering tires had split/lock rings on them.

Having been around equipment like this for many years, a good part of my youth and later years in the construction industry, several of which were as an equipment operator and tractor trailer driver, I can clearly see how easy it is for something like this to happen, especially to someone new on the job or not educated or familiar with these components, knowing when to stop, call the shop, a mechanic and or someone trained to deal with these kind of wheels within the company. Definitely not a mechanic, but when things were slow in the winter, there was a skeleton crew not laid off (you had to be a good worker to be kept on, riff raff was always fired or laid off every year) for the winter that would be kept on for snow removal, mechanics helper, parts chaser etc., you learn about some things, this was one of them.

The design and configurations of these are what they are and as you said, are still prevalent on equipment, so are the pressures, 100-150 psi is something to respect no matter what you're dealing with

They (media) said it was a freak accident, and to a newspaper writer that may be the case or the general opinion of a reporter, but to anyone with even remote knowledge of these wheel configurations knows you could accurately predict what would happen when inflating the tire on one with the lock ring mis-aligned, not using a protection cage etc. you would know that it is a hazard and that the machine would have to be sidelined until a knowledgable person can arrive to the site with the correct tools and equipment to repair the wheel.

This accident should not have happened, all it would have taken was some general safety training relative to the companies fleet of equipment, a placard above the wheel well or something warning the operator on the tire or fender, somewhere ! It's like handing someone a grenade without the pin, who knows nothing about them, it's fine until you let go of it. It just sucks, a guy does 2 tours in a combat zone and comes home and has this happen.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jdemaris

01-04-2008 05:50:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 05:39:48  
Yeah, I heard it on the local news when it happened, but all they said was the he got rushed to the hospital - I didn't know he died. Another guy got killed here last year filling a tire on a Deere 4WD loader - and it did NOT have split rims - the tire got way over inflated and blew up. He wasn't using a pressure-gauge they think it put almost a 100 PSI into it.

When I drove a big truck, we carried tools and had to fix our own flats - all split rims - back 1960s- 1970s. The last Deere dealership I worked at - up to 1991 - the truck driver there was still required to fix his own flats on our old IH tilt-bed with split-rims.

One of my farm pickup trucks still has them - a 1969 Dodge W200 Power Wagon. I tried to get a flat fixed recenty - and not a single local tire shop would touch it. Confinement cages are reguired (as told to me) and they don't have them anymore.

So, back home, did it myself again with two saftety chains wrapped around the rim. Yeah, they're time-bombs and death-traps unless you work on them correctly. They also tend to blow up after they get rusty - when driving down the road and not being worked on. I've gotten so I hate even standing next to one.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY

01-04-2008 06:11:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Split Rings on Wheels - SAFETY REMINDER in reply to jdemaris, 01-04-2008 05:50:51  
Me too, I had them on this 64 F-600, had them all switched out, one was leaking air, used to wedge the chock in there and stand to one side, like you said it's kind of like poking at a landmine. Almsot 20 years ago while driving an R-model mack hauling to a landfill cap/closure job, steering tire blew with 28 ton on, fender well to pieces, battery box cover off and the ring went so far in the woods it was never found. Lot of energy behind them.

You may have heard of the company Douglas Dyer & Sons, out of Mechanicville NY, they've been around here a long time, along with Royal Dyer, not sure of the relation if any they did a lot of utility work in the area. A lot of these outfits do snow removal to keep busy in the winter and that is where you will find a lot of older vintage equipment sitting all year until winter. I did a few tours on snow removal at local malls in NJ years back, late at night, cold snowing, tired from working the first shift, this is when safety gets forgotten.

I am in disbelief that this is still happening, and I can only hope the family he left behind has some some support and comfort at a time like this. Any company that has just one piece of equipment with these type of wheels needs to provide safety instructions or eliminate the hazard, he may not have had a clue, when I was his age I'd have probably done the same thing, no one ever educated me on those wheel types and at that hour you just want to get done with your work and go home.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Ken Macfarlane

01-04-2008 07:13:05




Report to Moderator
 Please give me a lesson on what they are? in reply to Billy NY, 01-04-2008 06:11:28  
Ok I'm a little ignorant about split rims here so please bear with me, my searches on the net show them as those either 2 piece rims that clamp together using the wheel studs or as a two piece rim using an extra set of bolts or studs to hold it together.

They are not the same as the 2 piece cast hub and rim combos so coveted by outdoor fire pit builders.

So why are they so dangerous? It looks if they are free of corrosion and not overinflated to be as safe as a regular rim. What am I missing? Are some rings just friction fit or something?

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
RN

01-04-2008 13:26:00




Report to Moderator
 Re: Please give me a lesson on what they are? in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 01-04-2008 07:13:05  
Think of a large bearing retaining 'snap ring' or 'C clip' on a axle- that help visualize it? RN



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jdemaris

01-04-2008 07:44:10




Report to Moderator
 Re: Please give me a lesson on what they are? in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 01-04-2008 07:13:05  
Your search on the Net is not showing what the word used to mean a few years back. Most words have multiple meanings and they all rely on context. Connotation versus denotation. Also, computer databases are only as smart - or dumb - as the people that compile them. More often than not, the people writing this stuff are not the grease-monkeys of the recent past - like many of us on this forum.

I think "split rim" to anyone over 40 or 50 means one thing - the three-piece rim that just about all big trucks, and many smaller pickup trucks and off-road stuff used. Main rim, rim-lip, and lock-ring that holds that rim-lip in place. No bolts, just air-pressure and metal against metal (hopefully). Both my 1949 Ford pickups and also my 1969 Dodge Powerwagon still have them. So does my late 1960s Pettibone backhoe.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Ken Macfarlane

01-04-2008 13:46:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: Please give me a lesson on what they are? in reply to jdemaris, 01-04-2008 07:44:10  
third party image

Thank-you, all the pictures I found where what they call split rims, not split ring rims.

I can easily see the problem with the split ring design, wouldn't last 10 years up here with all the salt. Kind of spooky stuff, what used to happen if you bottomed out a tire in a pothole? Looks like it could instantly dislodge a ring and lose a tire!

This is the rim type I saw and mistook:

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY

01-04-2008 15:02:03




Report to Moderator
 Re: Please give me a lesson on what they are? in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 01-04-2008 13:46:26  
Another type of wheel, fortunately it's military and not commonly found, (at least it appears to be pages from a military technical manual and the type of tire certainly looks military). Thanks for posting that one too.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jdemaris

01-04-2008 07:46:40




Report to Moderator
 Re: One more comment in reply to jdemaris, 01-04-2008 07:44:10  
Before I start an argument, some locking rims are two piece, and some three. I was making "general" comments.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Aaron Ford

01-04-2008 08:59:47




Report to Moderator
 Re: One more comment in reply to jdemaris, 01-04-2008 07:46:40  
You rebel...

LOL

Aaron



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Billy NY

01-04-2008 07:39:06




Report to Moderator
 Re: Please give me a lesson on what they are? in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 01-04-2008 07:13:05  
Don't quote me, as I'm not at all familiar with all the configurations of older 2 piece truck wheels, nor do I know the history of them, in this case it was most likely as NC Wayne described, outer lock-ring of a front end loader wheel or whatever the correct nomenclature is for the seperate ring is. I know just from referencing the shop manual for my old F-600 there were many 2 piece wheel types back then, not sure if you could include every type and configuration out there when conducting safety training, I saw an old goverment or osha bulletin on these, that gave a general warning, going so far as to warn about one instance where one came apart as it was being rolled over to be installed on a truck or piece of equipment. Point is, know what you are dealing with, and warn these younger guys about the dangers, this was senseless in my opinion.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy