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rodgernbama

12-28-2007 17:18:33




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We're thinking about buying a small farm in a rural area that does not have dsl service. Any of you guys have satellite Internet service? Does it work good? What are the pro's and con's of it?




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Ron in OH

12-29-2007 08:54:47




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
I have had a Wild Blue system for over two years. We do have DSL available. I have had very good experience with the system. I only have the $50.00/month version and could go two steps further. I have a business and do a lot of photos and blue prints and it works fast enough for us - not worth the extra 20 bucks/month for a faster service for us. Performance in storms is marginal - but I don;t do computer work in storms. I have had one service call to replace a part and the service man was here in less then 3 hours. I'm well satisfied.

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jdemaris

12-29-2007 08:34:29




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
We can't get cable or DSL here (in this part of New York). Dial up is on a 50 year old underground phone lines that are on their last legs. So, we changed over to Satellite two months ago. We've got Hughes.net but as far as I can tell, they are all the same, regardless of brand name. Wild Blue et. al. use the same equipment and same satellites.

Works better than dial-up - but not as reliable for working all the time, and not much faster when transmitting (uplink). Much faster on download. We also found that we cannot send large files - they crap out and fail I tried several times to send 15MB attachements by email, and they failed every time. To be fair though, that's big - and I went down town and used someone's RoadRunner cable broadband, and it also failed to send a 15MB file.

When we bought this system - we purchased the equipment outright and paid $70 a month for access. Our plan was - to dump the dial-up and save some bucks on the montly fee and the call-waiting fee we needed from the phone company. Now, after finding many times the satellite does not work - we're keeping the dial-up for backup. We have satellite TV and that has always worked fine. Tends to crap out just before a heavy rain or snow storm - but then comes back pretty quick. This satellite internet thing tends to stop working at unpredicitable times - often only for minute or so - but it's gets aggravating at times. I've had to switch over to dial-up several time to answer an email for forum post.

One warning - I found out the hard way. Just after getting this thing going - I was anxious to download some large files I'd been wanting including some CAV injection pump data files. Well, I spend one morning downloading - and the system crapped out and would not work for 24 hours. After callling tech support - and getting some guy in India - found out there's a use limit - set at 250 MB per day. Once you exceed that, you get shut down. Yeah - that's a lot and now I plan. But, if you don't know? I was told that unlimitted use is allowed in the middle of the night - like 2:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. I don't need anything that bad.

My wife and I aren't sure yet - if it's worth the expense. We might cancel it, we'll see. The only big plus - is being able to download large files which we can't do with dial-up. A file that takes an hour to download with dial-up, takes only five minutes with the satellite deal. With uplinking - a file that takes 30 seconds to send with dialup sends in 10-20 seconds with the satellite (when it's working). You can buy a stronger transmitter and send a little faster, but that raises the monthly fee. $70 per month is enough.

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Annn

12-29-2007 08:57:35




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to jdemaris, 12-29-2007 08:34:29  
hello,

99% of internet providers, don't allow emails to be more than 5 or 10MB in size, including attachments. Roadrunner maxes at 10MB. Many ISPs have upgraded to 10, but some are still 5. If you try sending anything larger, they fail. The type of connection doesn't matter, and it happens with cable, DSL, Satelite, etc... But the actual file size limit can vary with different internet providers.

There are sites online you can use to transfer large files, or you can use programs, like HJsplit to break them into several smaller files. Then you can send 3 separate emails each, containing 1 chunk. Of course, the recipient needs the same program to re-assemble them also.

HJSplit is a freeware program, and is a small simple file that can be send along with one of the file chunks. The program is only about 350kb, and can be downloaded free online from several places. Just google it.

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jdemaris

12-29-2007 12:15:12




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to Annn, 12-29-2007 08:57:35  
Thanks for the info. I knew the Roadrunner had a limit that I'd exceeded (after the fact). I got a warning message suggesting I break up the file. It was a PDF, and I'm not up on what would of been needed to cut it into smaller pieces. With the satellite - I think the upload limit depends on how much you pay, per month. At $70 per month, I'm on the cheapest plan.
But - the satellite problem differs a bit. With Hughes.net, they can't seem to get any attachments to send properly through their web-based mail. They told me they've been trying to fix it for month. That problem can be avoided by not using the web-based mail - but then the size problem is still there. My wife was interested in getting this satellite hook-up so she can send digital photos to Walmart for printing - instead of doing it from her workplace. None are real big, none are going by email, and yet - they won't work. They get half-way through and get hung-up. Hughes.net has no answer for that one either. I started out with tech-support in India. They then gave up and ran the problem up to the next level - with an American guy in Florida. He could't figure it out, and basically, gave up on it. He made me install Java so they could measure my uplink and downlink speed. It tested fine - and they then said, that's all they're going to do. It works in theory - and they're not going to worry if it doesn't work in the real world.

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Gene Dotson

12-29-2007 06:50:24




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
Rodger;
I have had line of sight microwave for about a year and like it very well Not affected by rain fade like satellite and I normally connect at 640 KPS.
I assumed from your alias that you are from Alabama? You can check this link to see if this service is available in your area. If not your state, then you can go to the bottom of the page and select your state. The list of providers and their coverage area are on this map... Gene

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Fawteen

12-29-2007 02:35:23




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
I have Wild Blue. When it works, it's pretty good, WAY better than dialup.

Problem I have is that they have ONE (that's ONE) repair guy for ALL of Maine, except the southwestern-most 3 counties.

When my Transmit-Receive unit on my dish died, I was dead in the water for two weeks waiting for him to show up and replace it.



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toolz

12-28-2007 20:16:17




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
I have a line-of-sight system that doesn't work very well. I wanted satellite, but my business and my wife's work requires use of a VPN, and satellite won't support it. Hughes said it would work, but others in the area have tried it, and it doesn't. If you don't require a VPN, you should be happy.



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MarkinMO

12-29-2007 05:21:01




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to toolz, 12-28-2007 20:16:17  
We have a Direcway system and I work from home using a VPN connection all the time. It depends on the VPN software being used. Three or four years ago the VPN connection would drop from time to time but lately it pretty much works anytime the satellite works.



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super99

12-28-2007 19:29:07




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
I've got wildblue, and it's much faster than the old dialup. Loose signal in storms and sometimes early in the am(4-5 am), not sure why. Can get line of site from local power and water in nearest town, but it was going to cost $800 to install and then $70/month for 2 years and then drop to $50. Wildblue was about $250 and $50/month.It's not bad, just frustrating sometimes. Chris



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Walt Davies

12-28-2007 19:02:37




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
I have WildBlue.com Its Ok 500K to 1,5 M $50 to $70 a months and nothing to install.
Walt



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JoeBob/IN

12-28-2007 18:27:57




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
We have a local company that offers it luckily! It is $40 a month plus a one time small install fee. Was actually cheaper than dial-up and the landline and even the slowest speed is 1000 times faster than dial-up. Super high speeds are available but like mentioned before nasty weather will put it out occasionally. Of course my landline went out in nasty weather too. Never did figure that one out! Ours is a non-line of sight and it works great.

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sjh

12-28-2007 17:58:10




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
There ok. Even road runner light is faster than hughes. If you are a heavy up or down loader such as movies then forget it. You will surpass the far user agreement in a 1/2 hour. That is my experience



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Steven f/AZ

12-28-2007 17:55:46




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
Don't know if it's available where you are moving, but on my parents farm they have a wireless service - requires line-of-sight to the signal tower - and comes from the local telephone co-op.

Works great and is really fast and secure.



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VaTom

12-29-2007 04:21:00




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to Steven f/AZ, 12-28-2007 17:55:46  
We just got wireless. Love it. Ranges up to 1.3 meg broadband. Around 20 miles to the tower from here. $35/mo, not great but no DSL or cable within 15 miles.

Turns out line-of-sight isn't necessary for wireless, just makes the connection faster. My friend with an aftermarket booster antenna gets ~500k broadband without line-of-sight, behind a hill.



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GentleBen

12-28-2007 17:36:28




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
Have had the satellite service for almost a year. The only disadvantages is price and on rare occasion snow getting into the dish and blocking signal so have to go out with broom and sweep out the dish. I have dsl in my area now so am going to take that service as soon as mt 15 month contract is up with Hughes satellite service. The satellite service cost me $600 to get setup with 2 computer and I pay $70 a month. When I go to dsl it will be less than half that.Have had no other problems with satellite service, the cost is the only reason I'm changing service.

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Allan In NE

12-28-2007 17:25:16




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to rodgernbama, 12-28-2007 17:18:33  
Work great when they work. When they don't ya wanna kill somebody. :>(

Allan

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bradley martin

12-29-2007 05:03:20




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to Allan In NE, 12-28-2007 17:25:16  
Hey,Allan, why do you need 3 dishes? Just curious!



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Allan In NE

12-29-2007 05:32:05




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to bradley martin, 12-29-2007 05:03:20  
Those goofy things support my "old tractor habit". :>(

Allan



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Dan-IA

12-28-2007 20:15:10




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to Allan In NE, 12-28-2007 17:25:16  
Tractors and dishes.
Pretty soon I might think you like computers too, and I'll think we're a lot alike!



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steveormary

12-28-2007 20:52:28




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 Re: satellite Internet in reply to Dan-IA, 12-28-2007 20:15:10  
We have Wild Blue.The dish is aimed toward a sattelite up there somewhere. Seems to work OK and is alot more reliable then the land line was.

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