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Value of Hog Manure?

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super99

12-28-2007 02:05:26




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A neighbor about 3 miles down the road is putting up a large hog confinement building to raise hogs on contract. I was told he was taking names for places to get rid of the manure. He is hiring someone to spread it, how much is it worth per acre? Thought about calling and getting on the list, but don't know what kind of price he will be asking. Do you need to test manure to figure out how much fertilizer to put on after application, or have field soil tested? This is new to me, everyone around here that used to raise hogs used it all themselves. Any thoughts? Chris

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Mark-Mi

12-28-2007 17:03:31




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
I would ask him how much he is going to pay you to allow him to spread on your property.He has to get rid of it.
Seems they want to apply when the ground is wet.Early spring before you can get on it to farm or late fall after harvest.
But if you like deep ruts and lots of compaction go for it.Mark



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phillip d

12-28-2007 16:05:31




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
Around here they will pay $50 bucks a tandem truck load at their hauling expense and they spread it themselves.Takes about 2 loads per acre.



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RN

12-28-2007 13:07:05




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
Depending on state disposal laws you may get it free or might get paid to take it. Home farm in Iowa has a hog operation next to it, It gets lagoon liquid chiseled in some fields for free. The laws require the hog operation to dispose of waste in timely manner and confinement operations now being required to have so many acres available to dump per 1000 hogs, couple operations that said they could dispose off waste at local farms were later fined for lieing about the farmers taking it during growing season. Wisconsin has some sod farms getting waste from confinement operation during corn growing season. Green county about 5 years back had a big dairy operation holding tank overflow, the dairy outfit couldn't dispose as they said they would, spring rains and full lagoon meant fish kill and supposed to have been a couple million in fines. Local Amish had a laugh at operation that didn't know scheis. RN

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Dick Lemmon

12-28-2007 08:59:34




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 Reading The Link Might in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
Reading the link might dispel some myths about the dangers of over loading the soil with manure. Someone that is now setting up a larger animal operation will have to make sure that they are not over loading the soil.

This diary is just 5 miles East of my farm. They also own the next farm East of me. The manure they now bring up here is oder free as it has gone thru his methane breeder which generates electricity.

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TyTX

12-28-2007 10:12:50




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 Re: Reading The Link Might in reply to Dick Lemmon, 12-28-2007 08:59:34  
Did he win clarification based on his argument? I realize he only presented it two years ago last November but perhaps Congress was in a busy streak and has managed to act on it by now.



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TyTX

12-28-2007 07:30:46




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 somewhat OT reply in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
I heard of a farmer who sold 1/2 his property to Six Flags so they could build a big theme park. That left his farm too small for much but the promise was the park would face his property and he could realize a huge profit by selling to hotels, restaurants and Park related industry.

Six Flags reversed their agreement and flipped the park layout putting the farmers remaining property at the back of the park. This dropped his property value to next to nothing and left him with too small of a farm to do much.

He built a large shed and began raising hogs. This was during a time when farmers were giving hogs away rather than contribute to the fallen market. Prevailing winds blew from our farmers field across the nearly complete construction site of Six Flags. Needless to say Six Flags bought the remaining property at a sizable profit to the farmer.

Who says you can't make a profit raising hogs?

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gene bender

12-28-2007 11:29:45




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 Re: somewhat OT reply in reply to TyTX, 12-28-2007 07:30:46  
Sounds great. Our neighborhood has a nice property local sherrif wanted for a firing range i told him i would put a hog house rite beside it and he looked at me funny. Anyway we got together and got it shot down north of us are thousands of acres the feds own around a big res told him to go there but he said it was wetland and i told him to haul some dirt in and raise it up.



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Clint Youse MO

12-28-2007 07:05:05




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
If it is a confinement it will be liquid nobody around here pays for it I spread mine on th neighbor jus to get rid of it value I dont know commercial fertilizer is high just go talk to him 3 miles is to far for us to pump we go out about 1. 1/4 and that is it



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John A.

12-28-2007 06:52:16




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
Super99, The price is ONLY worth the hauling! In the high plains feedlots hire contractors to scrape pens, and stockpile. Then when they have enough on hand to justify hauling out to local farmers on their fields. They market to the local farmers. Going rate is 10 tons/acre of manure, plus loading & huling. A truck will only cover about 2 to 3 acres tops.
Later,
John A.



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john in la

12-28-2007 05:47:02




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
Since he is just building the house he most likely can not give you a exact content of his manure value. The price would be based on the N value of each load.
I would bet if he is just getting started he needs the names of people's feilds where he can spread the manure to get the permit to build the house.



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randallinMo

12-28-2007 05:26:31




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
IaGary is correct. Ask the owner to give you an analysis of the manure. He will probably want to sell it on a per ton basis. The nutrient content should not vary much since it will probably be coming from a total slat building with essentially zero bedding in it. I have applied tons and tons of hog manure over the years. The very last load I spread still smelled as bad as the first. Initially, we saw tremendous yield increases with our crops. After 3-4 years we did not see much of a response. You WILL build your soil phosphorus levels to "excessive" in a few short years. Your neighbors WILL roll up their windows as they drive by and many will stop waving.

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buickanddeere

12-28-2007 05:06:55




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
Injected into the soil or surface spread? Where are you located, soil type, climate, heat units, intended crops etc?



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IaGary

12-28-2007 04:07:30




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
Hog manure can vary in value.

Besy way is to have the manure tested and your soil so you know how much you need per acre.

After it is tested you can have your local fertilizer saleman figure a value for you.

But with todays high cost of fertilizer it is worth looking into.

If you know what he is asking per gallon I can give an idea as to if he is in the ballpark or not.

If you trust him he may be able to tell you the value without a bunch of tests.

Gary

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ASL

12-28-2007 04:05:56




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to super99, 12-28-2007 02:05:26  
In terms of N-P-K it is worth the corresponding values of those elements in the feed used per unit weight. Hog manure is one of the drier manures and will depend on type of bedding used as to value for soil tilth building. If your State or County has fairly strict envioromental rules he may have to sell cheap just to get rid of it.



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gene bender

12-28-2007 05:48:44




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 Re: Value of Hog Manure? in reply to ASL, 12-28-2007 04:05:56  
Better get up to date on hog manure as it is liquid coming from a pit and is even pumped sometimes to the field in large hose and then at the field it goes into a tool bar draging it behind a tractor and placed into the ground with large discs. Or large tank wagons with discs to burry into the soil. The larger wagons haul up to 9500 gal.Soil is tested as too much can be applied and then big trouble.

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