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OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove.

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Gun guru

12-25-2007 07:24:15




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2 or 3 days ago some of us discussed the advantages of a corn/pellet stove. I will give some other comments on things that may not have been mentioned before. I have a 2300sq. foot house so I can only comment on my home. House was built in 1999. In Michigan. So it gets cold here - average temp in the winter 15-30F. For 5 months straight. I bought the American harvest pellet/corn burner, if you buy a pellet/corn burner be sure that it burns BOTH. American harvest says that the 6039 model burner heats a 1600sq foot house. Well it heats my house fine. You will have to clean the chimmney flue about 1 time per month, the residue is not like a wood stove but the inside of the pipe becomes lined with a heavy soot like powder which comes off easily with a steel brush. You have to vacuum the stove out every other day or so. that takes about 10 minutes.

You need to be able to store the corn and pellets. Corn needs to be stored in heavy plastic garbage cans (like the rubbermaid type) so that mice will not eat the corn through the burlap bags. You will also need a steady supplier for the corn or pellets. Be sure your local hardware store sells pellets, you can order online through a few places. Last year a place in Tennessee quoted me a price of $229/ton with a 4 ton minimum + delivery fee (dont remember what that was) I bought my pellet this year from a local Do-it-best lumber place, 10 miles away. Wood pellets will take up space. I have mine lined up along an exterior wall and stacked up like bricks in the garage. (I bought only 1 ton so far this year) The best way to load the stove is using 5 gallon buckets. You will need to be in shape enough to lift 40 pound bags and fill the buckets and carry them into the house. Starting the stove: I read where a guy used diesel fuel to start his. I use 3 table spoons or so of denatured alcohol (I have a squirt bottle of it) with 1/2 a glass of wood pellets, 1 match and poof instant fire. My stove uses about 25 pounds of pellets in 12 hours on a low to medium setting which keeps the house at a constant 70F when it is 20F outside. Be sure that the insurance company knows you have the stove or they will not make a payout if you have a chimmney fire. Insurance cost is about $150/year for a solid fuel burner. Last year I used about 2000 pounds of corn and about 2400 pounds of pellets. For the whole winter. This year I will use a lot less corn, because corn doesnt burn as clean as the wood pellets. As far as the price of corn and pellets. Corn $8 for a 100 pounds (in my area) Pellets $200/ton (plus delivery price)

Disadvantages of the corn-pellet stove.

1. you need 120VAC power to run the unit If there is a power outage...then no heat. 2. the stove costs $2,200, large cordwood stoves are a little cheaper. 3. not as cheap as firewood (if you can get the firewood for nearly free) or you have a wooded lot. 4. You have to lift 40 lb bags of pellets and my local corn farmer sells his corn in 100 lb sacks, which is heavy. 5. I dont run the stove when I am at work. (safety reasons)

Main advantage of a pellet/corn burner. About $750 saved last heating season.

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nw_bearcat

12-26-2007 06:47:11




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 Re: OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove. in reply to Gun guru, 12-25-2007 07:24:15  
I"ve been using a Harmon PC-45. We live along I-80 in EC Iowa, so it gets pretty chilly at different times, but not terribly extreme. I burn purely corn, but use wood pellets to start the fire. The PC-45 will light itself if you set it to Auto, but I usually do it myself. When it"s below 30 outside, I can keep it in the 60"s (I"m remodeling, so 50-60 is good working temps.) by buring about 50# of corn/day. I get corn in bulk from the elevator at market price and you could figure 4.50/bu (56#)and should catch it; pellets have been advertised at 180/ton at the farm stores around, but you"ll burn more of them than corn I think.

My Harmon requires little maintance, just dump the ashes every 3-4 days and maybe clean the glass or vacume it out every week or so.

With regards to power, yes, if you loose juice, the fire will go out, but most of the units actually use very little power, my dealer tells me they"ve ran a Harmon for 10 hours on one of those backup batteries that you get for a PC from an office supply store, so that is a great option if you don"t have a genny.

Yes, the large cordwood stove units are cheaper, but what about the piping and install to get them tied into your HVAC?

I haul the corn to the house in 5 gal buckets ~24# each, so not bad to lift.

If you value your time at all, cutting, hauling and stacking wood does add up to a decent amount of $$

Just my thoughts.

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Walt Davies

12-25-2007 10:27:10




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 Re: OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove. in reply to Gun guru, 12-25-2007 07:24:15  
For a few dollars more you can get a pellet stove like mine that has its own electric starter to get the fire going and a programmable thermostat.
I am using about 40 lbs per day right now and its been in the low 30s all months. Might snow tonight wish it would snow earlier so as to have a white Christmas.
Golden Blaze pellets are the top of the line and are made from hardwoods so there is a lot less cleaning about twice a month. Other cheaper type require a lot more cleaning and put out less heat so it pays to get the best.
Walt PS Merry Christmas just in case I missed someone, I'm making home made hot rolls and going to a friends for dinner this afternoon.
Thank God for inventing the bread machines.

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bill mar

12-25-2007 09:18:53




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 Re: OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove. in reply to Gun guru, 12-25-2007 07:24:15  
Around here (just outside of Buffalo NY) a face cord of fire wood is around $75 a face cord delivered, if you pay around $200 a ton for pellets how does that compare btu and price wise between the pellets and firewood? Iv'e heated with wood for the last 20 years,with a natural gas furnace for temps above 32 dereees. bill m.



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Keith-OR

12-25-2007 11:36:30




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 Re: OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove. in reply to bill mar, 12-25-2007 09:18:53  
Around here (just outside of Buffalo NY) a face cord of fire wood is around $75 a face cord delivered....

Ok, what the heck is a face cord?? We buy, sell wood in a cord measurements; 1/4 cord, 1/2 cord and a cord, which is measured as 4ft by 4ft by 8ft.

Keith & Shawn



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Catskill Pete

12-25-2007 13:59:58




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 Re: OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove. in reply to Keith-OR, 12-25-2007 11:36:30  
Face cord is 1/3 of a full cord, 4ftx8ft x16in. Common measurement at least here in the east, dunno about other parts of the country.



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Gun guru

12-25-2007 09:33:47




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 Re: OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove. in reply to bill mar, 12-25-2007 09:18:53  
Here is what I can guesstimate. It takes about 50 pounds of pellets to heat my home on low setting for about 24 hours. So--about 1 ton of pellets will heat for just over a month. If the outside temp is 0F then more pellets are needed, right now on X-mas day the temp here is 26F.



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Charlie M

12-25-2007 08:00:08




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 Re: OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove. in reply to Gun guru, 12-25-2007 07:24:15  
Good info on the corn stove. I burn about 7 face cord of wood in my home here in western NY and have considered getting a corn stove instead as I am already raising the corn. Biggest problem is I have a very good wood stove and hate to give it up. Definitely when one gets away from gas/oil heat there is alot more work involved to heat with alternative fuels. I have no idea what it would cost to heat my house without burning wood as I have always used wood as the primary heat when it gets cold. I have a propane furnace and propane is an expensive way to heat compared to natural gas and oil. The wood heat is great on a cold damp day after being outside for awhile. I am willing to deal with the extra work and less convience for the amount of money it saves me.

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Jim in NY

12-25-2007 08:21:52




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 Re: OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove. Charlie M in reply to Charlie M, 12-25-2007 08:00:08  
Charlie: where are you in Western NY and what kind of stove do you operate ? Email address ? Jim In NY (Finger Lakes)



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Charlie M

12-25-2007 10:21:41




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 Re: OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove. Charlie M in reply to Jim in NY, 12-25-2007 08:21:52  
I'm just west of Rochester. My stove is an "All Nighter" stove. Came with the house back in the 70's. I doubt they are available any more. They had several models. Mine is a heavy cast iron stove. I can fill enough to get decent heat for about 10 hours at a time. In the winter I leave the thermostat set at 60 degrees and the furnace rarely operates. We have a 2200 sq ft ranch house with decent insulation. Even with buying wood its still way cheaper than buying propane.

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djw

12-25-2007 09:55:27




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 Re: OT: for those thinking of a pellet/corn stove. Charlie M in reply to Jim in NY, 12-25-2007 08:21:52  
Lot of WNY'S here , didn't realize. I'm from Grand Island NY, just outside Buffalo also. I have been heating with wood for 20 plus years, burn 10-12 face cords a year. I own a landscape business so most of my wood is free [lot clearing] I like the idea of not being at the mercy of the retailers. Nothing like coming in and relaxing next to a warm stove after a day outside. Merry Christmas!! Dave

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