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Walt Davies

12-15-2007 09:51:47




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I know that Global warming isn't the first thing on your mind unless your name is Al Gore but I found this today on one of my news websites.
It pretty much lays out the facts as they have been recorded over the years and this website puts all that in a way that most people can make up the own mind as to whether Gore is right or the more than 19,000 basic and applied American scientists, two-thirds with advanced degrees are right. I suggest taking a look at it and then make up your own mind. I really don't care which way you go but I do think that you should see both sides before making up your own mind.
This is the first time that I have seen a major news report that shows the other side of the story. Walt

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gtrace

12-18-2007 16:54:46




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
Like one other posing about y2k...What ever happened to the killing of the ozone...there was this big whole, I always said if there was a hole wouldn't all the atmosheric pressure escape?

There may be global warming, but look at history and there were record highs back in the 30's..



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Marc in Va

12-17-2007 07:34:08




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
Walt,
That link led me to the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine. I had never heard of them. Had you? I decided to find out who they are. Here's some information I found on them.

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Mattias

12-16-2007 02:16:53




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
Phillip, Things are definately changing but why? I don't know, most(probably all) people don't and Al Gore definately don't.
What I do know is that if all those people had stayed home instead of flewn to Bali environment would have benefitted more than it did now. Politicians, experts, trehuggers and usual army of protestants flying all over the world to say we got to cut back on carbonoxide. I'm spechless.

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RayP(MI)

12-15-2007 18:28:44




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
Well, I only have one degree in science, but count me on the doubter's side.



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phillip d

12-15-2007 15:55:29




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
I don't want to be viewed as a tree hugger,but they show some pretty convincing evidence with the perma frost thawing in northern Canada,and the icebergs breaking off at an alarming rate.Things up here have certainly changed over the years.My dad tells that he remembers snow EVERY year up to the power lines.I have seen many pictures from the 50's here with some pretty severe accumulations of snow.Not that I would like to see that much of the other 4-letter s-word,but why don't we get that much any more?Just makes me wonder anyways.

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Paul from MN

12-15-2007 15:08:29




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
Walt, The link you have posted is titled "Global Warming Debate". The link does connect to one side of the debate. It is a petition to the US Gov. claiming that "there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful". I suppose it is one side of the debate. Looking at one side and only one side is a dangerous thing. In order to make up our own minds we should each carefully examine both sides.

Over and over again I hear about Y2K not being the problem we were all warned it could be. And that since it was not a problem, we can ignore this potential problem. There are some key things missing from that arguement. A) There was a whole lot of work done over a long period of time to remedy the Y2K. That investment prevented any of the possible issues from occuring. B) Predictions are bound to be off from time to time. It is a bad idea to only look at the times the weather man has been wrong, forget the times he has been right, and hope/believe he is wrong about tomorrows weather because we don't want it to storm.

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Walt Davies

12-15-2007 23:00:37




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Paul from MN, 12-15-2007 15:08:29  
If I remember correctly I said to look at the evidence and make up your own mind. I guess that you have.
Walt



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Jim from PA

12-15-2007 14:53:05




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
I think that no matter what Gore will position himself in a no lose situation. Most people are not able or cannot think for themselves (not sure which)and rely on others to find a position in life for them. If it turns out that the earth is warming (even if it is not due to man), then Gore and party will say I told you so. If it is as I believe just a natural cycle and earth will return to previous temperatures Gore will take credit for it by claiming to make us all aware and having saved us from ourselves. As I see it these kind of opportunists always come out ahead at the expense of the gullable. Unfortunately we all pay the price for the masses.

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DitchWI

12-15-2007 14:48:13




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
Thanks for the link. The nuclear part of this was very interesting. Al has a bunch of people running around the country scaring people with his facts from his moving, they came to our local library with I attended. When I asked the guy giving the presentation why nuclear power was never mentioned as an option to coal or oil electrical generation- he said it wasa non factor and had to move on. As I suspected when the presintation was done they didn"t have enough time left for questions.

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Glenn FitzGerald

12-15-2007 15:29:49




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to DitchWI, 12-15-2007 14:48:13  
Yah, even the chief himself doesn't have time to answer qurstions from the floor. I understand at a recent hype presentation of his he was asked why his home consumes 10x more energy/month than the average American household. No time to answer or even acknowledge the question. What a counterfeit!

Glenn



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gene bender

12-15-2007 13:19:49




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
When i was in school in the late 40s and early 50s they said there would be not enough food in the USA because of growing population after WW11



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ted regentin`

12-15-2007 12:47:41




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
Does anyone remember the the Y2K business with the sky-is-falling mentality? Didn't happen. How about the global cooling scare of the seventies? Does anyone from the mid west remember the dire predictions from acid rain scientists? They said something to the effect that the lakes would be dead in a few years. Consigned to the memory hole is the prediction that the world would be out of oil by the fifties. Anyone who wishes may google ICECAP for some information about the global warming hoax.

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Tradititonal Farmer

12-15-2007 12:05:29




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
The real question is not whether the Earth is warming or not as it has always been either warming or cooling but whether it is man made or not.Of course I think its a little too much for these 'experts' that can't tell me for sure if its going to rain or not next tues. for me to believe they can tell me what the weather will be 50 years for now.



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TomH in PA

12-15-2007 17:39:14




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Tradititonal Farmer, 12-15-2007 12:05:29  
Traditional Farmer has it right. Pick any century since the last great ice age, the climate was either warming or cooling. Never stays still. It's been warming for the past 150 years or so.



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Dieselrider

12-15-2007 11:28:12




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Walt Davies, 12-15-2007 09:51:47  
Thanks Walt for the report. I will finish reading it later today. Printing it right now. I have had problems with this whole mess ever since it came out. You are correct though, each person has to make up there own minds. I wish I could travel through time and see how foolish Al gore and some will have seemed to that generation.



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Walt Davies

12-15-2007 12:09:04




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 Re: OT but important to farmers. in reply to Dieselrider, 12-15-2007 11:28:12  
That would be fun but I'm hoping to live long enough to say "I told you so"
Walt



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