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TWJanak

12-11-2007 11:03:44

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Father needs a good pair of binoculars for Christmas and my budget is $250 or so. I didn't know much about them but after much reading I've settled on the Nikon Monarch ATB, either 8x42 or 10x42. Any other models I should consider?

I would rather have the 10 power but am worried that the performance in low light will not be as good as the 8 power. Texas whitetails come out right before dark so low light viewing is important. But we also have some 400 yard lengths we like to check out so I wanted the 10 power. Which do you suggest?

Thanks,

Travis

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TWJanak

12-11-2007 19:29:59

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

Thanks for all of the help. I was leaning towards the 10x42 and I think yall have convinced me that is the way to go. I looked at the Leupolds but I can get a Nikon roof prism for the same price as the Leupold porro prism, so smaller and lighter.

Thanks again,

Travis

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TX656

12-11-2007 19:26:42

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

10 power is too jumpy for me. I have the Monarch 8x42's and enjoy them. Father also uses 8 power, sister uses 10 power in the Monarch. If your ALWAYS going to have a steady rest then maybe 10's would work but if you are glassing standing up I'd go with the 8's. Side comment: the neck strap on mine said "Bushnell" when rec'd from Cabelas. When I was younger I might have cared and returned them to get a different strap but the strap fits my neck well (and who do I have to impress?) Made me think this stuff is all made in the same Chinese factory.

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Idaho Ron

12-11-2007 17:34:03

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

Leupold wind river 10x40. Can't beat them. Ron

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Marlowe

12-11-2007 17:31:46

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

if your dad is over 50 and likes to hunt then get him something better then 7x50 or 8x45. when the eyes start going it nice to have more power i had 7x50s but went to 16x50 and what a difference even the scopes on my rifles a 4to16by50 i personally like more power

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TomH in PA

12-11-2007 16:15:55

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

Assuming your dad is getting up in years, he would probably do better with the higher power. As people age their pupils don't open as wide as they did when they were young.

The size of the beam of light coming out of the eyepiece depends on the ratio of power to aperture in mm. A young person can use a ratio of about 7 to 1, but us older guys can only make use of about 4 to 1.

For example, 7x50 gives a ratio of about 7 to 1, good for a young person. But 7x35 (ratio of 5 to 1) is just as good for an older person because the extra light from the bigger lens can't get into the pupil.

So the 10x42 will probably appear just as light to you father as the 8x42, just more magnification. A younger person would see a brighter image with the 8x42. To get a brighter image he'd need something like a 12x60.

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TomH in PA

12-11-2007 16:30:52

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TomH in PA, 12-11-2007 16:15:55

Here's the science:

Binocular vs eyeball

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4010guy

12-11-2007 15:16:57

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

I bot a spotting scope a few years ago that i got mounted on a camera stand for in the house and i really like it as im not as steady as i used ta be.
it can also be mounted on a window mount on your pickup if you choose to.
mine is a Burris 15X45X60 MM and i think i paid $200.00 for it but they may have gone up some sense.
Just a thot.

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dittmerku

12-11-2007 13:20:04

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

Try the Leupold binoculars. I looked for a good pair for about 6 months before I bought these. I was willing to pay 1000 for a great pair of Swarovski's, one of the best, until I tried these. They are great for very low light too, especially great when hunting. They cast about $250, at least mine did, they are the wind river series; they are 10 - 42 also. They are gas filled, do not fog up, waterproof, and I can't recommend them enough. I spent years using cheap binoculars. Never again. Try looking at a pair of these, I love them! Kurt

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MTrim

12-11-2007 13:07:38

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

Actually the Nikons you mentioned, particularly the 8x42s are some of the highest rated binos out there...coming very close in performance to the very upper end Swarovski and Zeiss. They are by far the highest rated bonos in your price range.

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Jerry/MT

12-11-2007 12:19:46

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

For low light you want the biggest objective lense for the power. There used to be a term called relative brightness( never knew "relative" to what) that was used to compare the light gathering power of binoculars. Don"t seee it used much any more.It is calculated as follows:

relative brightness = (objective lense diameter in mm/power)^2

Ths a 7x35 had a relative brightness of (35/7)^2 = 25. A 7x50 had a relative brightness of 51, over twice as much as a 7x35. They are bigger but they are better for low light situations.

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( sonny )

12-11-2007 11:54:18

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

7x35 is best all around,8x40 is a little jumpy,
without a steady pole. just an old mans opinion.

happy holidays sonny

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coloken

12-11-2007 11:30:09

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

FWIW from an old hunter. The old opinion was that it took a very steady hand to hold more that 8 power. Especially Old guys like me. Best I ever looked through were surplus made by B&L.

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Stumpalump

12-11-2007 11:16:32

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to TWJanak, 12-11-2007 11:03:44

I worked for Carl Zeiss for 6 years and they make some great ones. IMHO you can spend 25 bucks or 250 bucks. Are they 10 times better? No.But the difference is low light conditions for sure. You can see into a dark creekbed somwhat better. I think the smaller compact units are just as good as the larger framed ones.

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Spook

12-11-2007 17:19:22

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to Stumpalump, 12-11-2007 11:16:32

Stump, what did you do for Zeiss? I work on Zeiss CMM's for GM. Nice machines.

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Stumpalump

12-11-2007 20:49:09

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to Spook, 12-11-2007 17:19:22

I worked for Carl Zeiss Meditec. I was a field service rep for all kind of eye doctor/surgeon stuff. Like lasers and all the fancy instruments you look into when you go to the eye doc. Go to any eye doc and you will find all kind of Zeiss stuff and some of the really old stuff is still used. I'm still in the eye biz but with a nicer company.

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Spook

12-12-2007 01:14:03

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Re: Binocular shopping for Dad in reply to Stumpalump, 12-11-2007 20:49:09

I work with the techs from the IMT division. Quite a turnover some years.

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