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even diesel oil is bad for old engines

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paul

12-07-2007 08:21:07

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Following this thread over on NAT, looks like we are losing the additives old gasoline engines need on all oils. Going to be hard on standard sliding tappets. Even in diesel oils.

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James22

12-08-2007 07:33:47

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Re: even diesel oil is bad for old engines in reply to paul, 12-07-2007 08:21:07

Wrote this before, but a friend whom works for a large company that supplies oil additive packages to the blenders, suggested it might be a good idea to buy a few years worth of diesel oil until this gets sorted out. I bought enough barrels to last at least ten years and with the price of oil going up so much it looks like will also save a bunch of money.

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jdemaris

12-07-2007 13:32:16

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Re: even diesel oil is bad for old engines in reply to paul, 12-07-2007 08:21:07

I've tried to keep up with it - and it seems to be true. The engine oils in Europe are keeping the antiwear additives of zinc and phosphorus. The reasons stated are #1 Europe doesn't have to meet the same emission regs as us, and #2 European people are more demanding and not so much a "throwaway society" as we are here. Here - it's been dropped in most new oils - but not all. I've used Shell Rotella-T for many years - and it HAS dropped the additive in the newest "triple protection" forumla.

I think oil WITH the additive will always be available here - but may not be so easy to find. You may have to order it in and pay a little more - and not be able to make out on sales which will probably just have the new oils. Racing oils, and some HD use oils will keep the additives.

From what I've read, there's been a search for an alternative - but nothing has been found that gives as good protection from certain types of wear as the zinc-phosphorus compound. Some companies are using boron now - which is inferior.

Year's back many oils did not have it - especially non-detergent oils. And, engines didn't fall apart - although they may not have lasted as long as some newer stuff.

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Walt Davies

12-07-2007 10:09:11

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Re: even diesel oil is bad for old engines in reply to paul, 12-07-2007 08:21:07

We just went though that on another list and one guy e-mailed the an oil company and they said that there just a small reduction in the metals and should have no effect on your older engines.
There is a lot of junk science on the web you have to be very wary of what some people write and do a lot of research before you just follow them like sheep.
Walt

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paul

12-07-2007 15:17:15

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Re: even diesel oil is bad for old engines in reply to Walt Davies, 12-07-2007 10:09:11

The link I mentioned did get into the specific amounts left in the different oils. seems like a 'better than average' discussion of it all, is why i brought it up.

Of all places, a Dollar General store had a shelf full of oil designed for older engines - with the better wear additives. Noticed that 5 months ago. Quality of DG off-labeled stuff is probably yet another topic. :)

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