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GeneMO

11-27-2007 05:23:20




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Thought maybe Chief 37 or Mike CA could answer this. Andrew's ship, a guided missle frigate, lost one of their two turbines off Central America. They were being told they could not pass through the canal to reach port by the expected Christmas stand down. Now we hear they are flying technicians out to fix it. Any practical reason why they could not pass through the canal. Of course remember Andrew is still doing his first few months of working in the mess, so I realize the Captain is not coming down and consulting Andrew on what to do, you know what I mean.


Thanks, Gene

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JD 1956 60

11-30-2007 19:22:46




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
I have to agree with Mike CA. Information shared by your son is for your eyes/ears ONLY. My son has 14 1/2 years in the U.S. Navy, 1st Class Petty Officer, soon to become Master Chief, when he gets back in port. He shares nothing about location or mission. Even after the fact, he is very selective about what he tells us.
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dave guest

11-29-2007 19:57:44




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
Another airdale, like 37 chief. Ever heard of NAS Grosse Ile, Michigan. Decomissioned about 1970. Nothing left but ancient aircraft hangars. Lotta young men went to Nam. outta there. Busy place WW2.



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Mike CA

11-27-2007 20:25:25




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to Sean Feeney 2, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  

sd pete said: (quoted from post at 19:11:13 11/27/07) That was probably one of vw 1 connies. I did time there from 68 till 71 in vw 1 and a little bit in vq 1


I did two tours with VQ-1 flying in the EP-3E. 95-99 and '02-'06



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NC Wayne

11-27-2007 16:48:13




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
Having worked in the engine rooms aboard both a DDG and a Carrier I"d say the main reason is maneuverability. I know several times we had equipment casualities in the engine room prior to entering port and we weren"t allowed to enter til the problem was solved. True many ships would and could be towed through the canal but do a combatant ship like that probably wouldn"t be a good idea. That said I think simple pride also has it"s fair share of reason here also.
Good luck to your son. My 6 years, which included the Gulf War, are an experience I will never forget.

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37 chief

11-27-2007 15:39:37




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
I wish I could add to what was already mentioned. There seams to be a several good reasons . I was not in the black shoe Navy (ship board) I was in aviation land based planes only. Stan



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sd pete

11-27-2007 16:39:49




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to 37 chief, 11-27-2007 15:39:37  
I did some time on Willy Victors.



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37 chief

11-27-2007 18:01:16




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to sd pete, 11-27-2007 16:39:49  
I had to look up what a willy victor was. I always refered to them as super connies. There was one at the Navil Air Station Sangley Point in the phillipines where I spent 6 mo. This was in 65. I think it was used for weather recon. Stan



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sd pete

11-27-2007 18:11:13




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to 37 chief, 11-27-2007 18:01:16  
That was probably one of vw 1 connies. I did time there from 68 till 71 in vw 1 and a little bit in vq 1



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37 chief

11-27-2007 19:13:19




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to sd pete, 11-27-2007 18:11:13  
I was there with vp-48 our squadron had 12 P5M sea planes. I was a mechanic, but did to go on a few patrols. I spent a month on a sea plane tender off the coast of Viet Nam. I was there to help maintain our planes while they flew patrols off the coast. I had a good time in the Navy, also had some crappy times, but don't remember them much. Stan



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Joe (Wa)

11-27-2007 10:56:00




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
Has nothing to do with maneuverability, the simple answer is PRIDE and IMAGE. USN does not does not advertise that a combatant ship is impaired. Tugging or unusual steerage assist of a small USN vessel like that is a dead giveaway. Deadheading ships through the CZ is done everyday of the week.

Joe



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JMS/.MN

11-27-2007 09:24:20




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
Control would be the issue, like the others said. The ship"s Captain does not pilot it through the locks- a Canal Company Captain does. The trip is about 40 miles. There are three sets of concrete locks, not over 110 feet wide, so many ships are too wide to go through. Gatun Locks on the Atlantic side, Mira Flores and (I think) Pedro Miguel near the Pacific side. Dredging is year-round, especially in the Gailliard Cut about midway through. Two hundred foot deep cut. Yes, the Atlantic side is west of the Pacific side, due to the "S" curve of Central America at the isthmus. BTDT courtesy of Army Green Berets, mid 60s.

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GeneMO

11-27-2007 09:08:09




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
Thanks everyone, the good news is they are supposed to get it fixed and he will make it home to Mayport in time. we already had plane tickets. His ship is the Stephen Groves, FFG29.
I think it is getting pretty old. The missles have been removed and it is listed as a reserve ship. They are doing drug interdiction and anti terrorism patrols. First time out they got 4 or 5 tons of cocain. He should have some stories as he got to watch all the chases. Kinda hard to out run that Helo!!

Gene

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rayUSMC

11-27-2007 08:23:25




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
Guided Missile frigates are single screw ships. Losing a turbine means they lose the ability to maneuver in case the other turbine goes down. Doing this in the very constricted waters of the canal is dangerous and will stop other vital traffic if they should lose the remaining engine. The good news is the GE LM 2500 turbines we built and installed to facilitate a relatively easy swap.



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Walt Davies

11-27-2007 08:08:01




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
With twin screws on a ship one can set the rudder in the opposite direction and one screw forward the other back and walk the ship from side to side. this is very important in tight spots like the canal. with one turbine down that makes its impossible to do this. The canal guys don't want a ship limping though as they can't get a tug in to help it.



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old

11-27-2007 06:56:24




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
If they lost a turbine they also most likely lost of of there screws and if so then the ship will sort of run side ways and thats why they can't go through the canal. Sort of hard to keep it running true when its being pushed from one side. U.S. navy 1974-1980



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Dachshund

11-27-2007 06:27:16




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
MY GUESS would be a question of stability. We lost a "turbine" once and in turn, only had one screw turning for awhile. This makes the ship "limp" through the water. The PC is a tight squeeze for a lot of ships.
Did you know that the west end of the canal is actually farther east then the east end?



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mjbrown

11-27-2007 06:23:27




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 Re: O/T Some of you Navy guys in reply to GeneMO, 11-27-2007 05:23:20  
I'm not a Navy vet but have some boat experience. I'm guessing here but the ship may be much less manuverable if haveing one turbine down means having one shaft inoperable. That could be unacceptable in the tight confines of the Panama Canal. By turning one shaft forward and one in reverse a ship can virtually turn in it's own length. Running on one shaft means they have to have a LOT of opposite rudder just to go straight and the ships steering would be less predictable. Not a good thing in the tight confines of a canal. A mishap would be very expensive and would not look good on the captains record.

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